Wikileaks: For Public good or National Security concern?

Sooooooooooo, how does the government fund it's programs then? The money for social security and retirement plans doesn't just come from no where, it's raised by taxes. How do you think roads and infrastructure are maintained? the magical concrete fairy comes down and waves her wand and all of a sudden a road is refinished costing absolutely nothing to anyone?

 

you know what... PM me if you guys have questions so this won't turn nasty

 

Holy shit. Are you dumb?

 

I say you can still answer Dino's question, as it is a very legitimate question to ask.

Frankly, I honestly expected a more knowledgeable post on taxes, especially from someone who studied microeconomics...

 

Wikileaks + Vidya games + a month before release = Good.
Wikileaks + guv'ment stuff = Bad.

It's a half and half deal.

 

ok, fine:

Government takes money out of people's pockets in the form of taxes to fund public programs. (are you following me?)

because the government takes money away from people, people have less to spend on the economy. (still following?)

because the government took money from people (who contribute to the economy) the economy (who usually gets the money that is now government tax money) suffers.

And you basically starve the economy.

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now, the money that the government makes can be beneficial towards the welfare of the economy and it's people (ie. stimulus/welfare programs) but should rarely be enacted because it causes a rift in free-trade. If a government puts a price floor (minimum price) or ceiling (max price) on items, supply and demand can suffer for people, who then become unwilling/unable to pay.

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any other questions?

 

Yeah, how does this relate to Wikileaks?

Also, how does the government buy us anything without paying people who can buy other stuff to contribute to the economy? There's no such thing as a money sink - money always has to go to someone, and money has no use other than to go to someone else.

Are you getting my drift here?

 

Are you drifting my get here?

 

wikileaks ---> military ---> government ---> money ---> taxes ---> economics.

good question.

government takes money and then spends it in programs, the damage is actually the changing of hands from the people, to the government, back to the people. because there is a middleman in the mix prices go higher.

imagine the silk-road conundrum, before the seaway was opened up all spices had to go by person to person. guy A would walk so far and sell it to guy B for $1, who would walk so far and give it to guy C for $2, and so on and so on. Once it arrived to guy Z's hands it would be $1000. Once the seaway was opened, Guy A could sell it to guy Z for $50 (in which both guy A and Z win)

everybody wanted to make a profit (which is good for the economy) but the middlemen were the problem by raising the price (which is bad for the economy). (luckily there was a demand for east asian spices)

 

All I know is, if there are no taxes, we'll have no roads, no social welfare, no government.
If there's less tax, we'll have shitty roads, shitty welfare and shitty government.

Someone's got to pay for the lights in Obama's office if he's going to be kept working. Money's got to come from somewhere.

 

Middlemen contribute to the economy too.

 

yes they do, but at the expense of others.

 

Don't all profit?

 

no.

 

Yeah, that's exactly how the economy works. If I want money to spend, I've gotta get that money from someone else.

 

you get a part of economics.

but lets say you get that $399 from that shmuck who bought your Atari, and plan to get a PS3 or 360 in a store. The govt. steps in and takes $50 (for the sake of simplicity) leaving you with $359, not enough for what you want. You lose $50 and the store loses a paying customer.

 

Hence why tax doesn't apply every single time money changes hands.

 

but its the ones who demand the tax that hurts both sides.

 

What? I just said that tax isn't demanded in every situation.

 

and the ones that do demand tax hurt both supplier and consumer