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Wikileaks: For Public good or National Security concern?

Discussion in 'Debates' started by damanali, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. redoperator

    redoperator Well-Known Member

    yeah, my definition has the word "terror" in it, yours is a rebel or something, whats that word (help me out here guys)
     
  2. Zydaline

    Zydaline Well-Known Member

    OED definition of 'terrorist' : A person who uses violence and intimidation in an attempt to achieve political aims.

    Which part of J.A's been violent and intimidating?
     
  3. treec_cynda

    treec_cynda Guest

    He's not being violent, but he is intimidating greatly by leaking secret documents.

    And in the quote above, DO NOT be confused by who said what.
     
  4. drybones41

    drybones41 Well-Known Member

    Wikileaks is good and bad. The public should be informed, they should know what's going on, but they might overreact. Overracting always leads to something bad, to me Wikileaks can be good and bad, it's just how the public responds to the information.
     
  5. redoperator

    redoperator Well-Known Member

    marry me
     
  6. Natewlie

    Natewlie A bag of tricks

    Your definition of the word intimidating is wrong, that or you don't understand the word. I suggest you look up the definition of intimidation.
     
  7. treec_cynda

    treec_cynda Guest

    GOOD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! This could cause the destruction of the countries whose secret documents he's leaked.
     
  8. Zydaline

    Zydaline Well-Known Member

    So which country's been destroyed, and how will it happen?
     
  9. treec_cynda

    treec_cynda Guest

    Mostly the US will be destroyed, but I have no idea how it will happen.
     
  10. Zydaline

    Zydaline Well-Known Member

    It won't. J.A can release a million files and nothing will change.
    Countries are not going to boycott America just because they're being nasty to folks on battlefields and badmouthing their allies. They're not going to nuke them because there's proof they suck. There is no secret map to a secret button that when pressed, will cause America to explode.

    Thus, Life goes on.

    /Thread.
     
  11. treec_cynda

    treec_cynda Guest

    What's gonna happen will go like this:

    1. J.A. leaks a bunch of secret documents.
    2. al-Qaida finds them and knows what we're doing.
    3. al-Qaida figures out how to counter our tactics.
    4. US loses War on Terrorism and ends up entirely Muslim.
     
  12. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    if the US gets destroyed it is because of their own stupidity. No country is going to go to war with a country who's economy is hanging by a thread, it is far quicker and easier to take them down by collapsing their economy. All the information needed to do that was in the public domain long before wikileaks.

    Al-Quaeda already knew long before wikileaks. It's not like americans actually PROTECT sensitive data.
     
  13. treec_cynda

    treec_cynda Guest

    Rather, the military's stupidity. The citizens know it's a problem, but the US military has never listened to the citizens...
     
  14. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    the military have not destroyed the country's economy.
     
  15. I think that this was a great thing to do, so many secrets they kept from us are now out and its inhumane, I agree with treec_cynda that the military takes out so much money from our economey, it would be funny if we knew where all our frigen tax money went!
     
  16. treec_cynda

    treec_cynda Guest

    Thank you for agreeing.
     
  17. redoperator

    redoperator Well-Known Member


    yes, good. Wikileaks is a "whistle-blowing" site where information about bad things people are doing are shown in light. Some of it is good, showing about the BP spill and other corporate grab-ass is needed. Some of it is also bad, Information about past troop movements and killings (especially in the backyards of some bad countries) may cause unneeded stare-downs between governments (and facepalms among employees). It doesn't cause "destruction" but more of a pothole people tend to either deal with or blow out of proportion. There is some information that I would like to see not on the internet, my bank accounts, SSN, driver's license, civilian casualties, etc.

    it's not the military that takes so much money, but instead its the passing of hands that racks up the bill. Taxes are bad for the economy because it shifts the supply and demand chain unfavorably on both the consumer's and producer's lot. Also earmarks are a biggie, along with public projects funded by the government, which leads to sub-par quality of items and unneeded waste, unlike by private companies.
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    but anyway, information is just that, INFORMATION. In the hands of some, they're cool with it because shit happens, in others expect fall-out. these people who are swamping visa and mastercard are the idiotic fucks that need to understand free-speech in information, doesn't mean "blow it out of proportion" .

    as much as I would like Top-secret stuff to be top-secret, period, there are always gaps in security, and it's up to the government to seal it up the best they can and do the best they can to prevent finger-wags from the rest of the world.

    -war is hell and information is half the battle, don't let your battle plans go up on smoke-
     
  18. Oteupaiecona

    Oteupaiecona Well-Known Member

    Here
    Are you against all taxes?
    I can't really make out your argument against taxes.
    And are you also saying that there should be no public funding of any projects whatsoever?
    Please be more specific.
    And what is your reasoning that private companies are better at any kind of projects?
    (for example, Fire departments, Libraries, etc...)
    Exactly, it is the governments own fault for letting this information escape from their hands.
     
  19. redoperator

    redoperator Well-Known Member

    taxes kill the economy by taking money out of people's hands, private enterprises are greedy (like Adam Smith said: It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest) and do their best to get paid. if you know you would get $20,000 whether or not you did your job, would you do your job at all?

    Take microeconomics when you have the time, it's too much info to tell right now (and a bit off topic) and a lot of enlightenment.
     
  20. CloudBoii12

    CloudBoii12 Well-Known Member

    Holy shit, are you dumb?