veggies or meat?

Yer but is your cousin unable to eat meat becasuse he gets sick or did he choose not to?

 

I favor meat.

 

I like to shake meat

 

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I'd also like to say that I hate vegetarians that eat fish. What is so different about a fish to a chicken?
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Then I have 2 eggs in the morning and tofu at lunch. It adds up...

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This is the most awesome post in this whole thread.

I eat Fruit, Grain, Vegetables, and Meat. I'm a Human.

 

Humans!!!

(although I must say I would rather have bacon as it grows in the supermarkets)

 

Has anyone ever actually seen a vegetarian get sick from eating meat. they all say they will but i have a fealing most if not all of them are just saying that as an argument

 

Probably a mental thing. "What, I just ate MEAT! BARF!"

 

now that i think about it, this i kid i know doesn't eat healthy at all and had a glass of water for the first time in years and puked from it. Probably a coincidence though....and off topic

 

More off topic:
You ever been so hungry that drinking water was painful? Occasionally at work if I didn't eat anything in the morning, and have a machine break around lunch time so I don't have time to eat lunch, I'll finally get around to taking a break and will grab a glass of water and it will cause physical pain in my stomach for about 5 seconds or so.

 

No, never seen that to be honest, I have known 20 year vegies who have eaten some meat and I have never seen any of them sick. I guess it may depend on why you are a vegie.

Most of the vegies I know have no palate for flavour.
I cook very good food, some of it has meat some does not, I find it is easier to cook for those that like meat than those who do not(even when there is no meat on the table). Meat eaters have a greater vocabulary of flavour than non meat eaters.

On a different level, I wonder why we as humans have a very long history and tradition of venerating meat as a special meal? I think we do eat too much meat today but I do not think a meat free diet is ideal. Currently and historicly, the largest vegetarian civilisation is in India, but they eat eggs and use butter and lard and fish. They are ovo-lacto vegetarians and that means they eat well. They do not conform to the tragic ideal of vegetarianism as has been presented in 'so called' western civilisation. That diet should be appealing to a 'modern' vegie, but less so to a carnivore.

I will be honest and say that I do not cook to appeal to meat lovers, as I tend to cook a good variety of veg. For me meat is an oh so special taste that should be treated right, from the time of the kill to the time it gets to plate meat is special. I understand why people who have a problem with the meat industry do not eat meat. I think this is a good thing, the meat industry is rotten. I will not eat GM crops or any sprayed crop as they are also rotten. Our food production industry is rotten, all of it.

I know that a well informed vegie can find good crops, free of chemicals and not GM. Also I know that I can source a good piece of meat that is also free of chemicals. Our food industries are shit, those in India have a greater knowledge of the food they eat than we do, as much of the processed food they produce is for export only, we eat their shit..

As an average modern 'western' vegie you are as much of a chemical junkie as the average meat eater.
I think it is best not to be in the majority and demand that your food is by definition food. Real food tastes real good.
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That is called shock, you must have a very cotton candy life that your guts cannot take a little chilled water. Go see your doctor! Forget the joke, go see your doctor.

 

^Good post. I have a friend that chooses to be vegetarian because of her religion. She sometimes brought imitation meat for lunch at school. It tastes surprisingly similar to meat minus the texture and what you called 'sweet meat' flavor. Those 'meats' are made of either gluten, soybean, or mushrooms and relatively more expensive than normal meats. Even more surprising, they can made those ingredients into something similar to any meat, call it chicken, beef, fish, crab or even shrimp and squid, nice. They usually use mushroom or seaweed extract for flavoring.

FYI: Meat tastes good because they had lots of glutamate, they said it give them the umami flavor. Lots of glutamate was also found in seaweed, mushrooms and easily synthesized in form of MSG (like aji-no-moto).

I sure asked her lots of things, but I love meat as much as I love veggies. If I could get my hands on those imitation meat, maybe I'd surrender. But those meats aren't widely selled and expensive. :-\

 

very well put, that gives me a new perspective about food, really.

just out of curiosity...whats her religion?

 

I pick veggies because meat is not as healthy to eat for a long period of time even if the taste is better ..

 

I agree, though I think that meat only tastes better if it is properly prepared. I am no food nazi, though I know that badly cooked meat is far far worse than badly cooked veg.

Today we treat meat as a part of an everyday meal, and I guess that may seem ok if you can afford it. I say hold back a bit on the meat and treat it as it should be, a special flavour. Some people may not like the taste of meat, but to consider yourself as a vegetarian on taste alone is to admit you have not tried eating all the amazing diverse flavours that dead animals can bring.
Those who favour vegetarianism on ethical grounds have a great case; worldwide, the meat industry is a disgrace, animals are subjected to horrific lives in order to produce food. That some animals are treated very well is no great distraction from a very ugly industry.

I try not to buy meat from shit sources like supermarkets, but to be honest most of the crap limp meat in your average supermarket is not sourced from the worst of bad production methods. The real shitty trade in meat is driven by Mcdonalds, burger king, KFC and their ilk. These global companies have a benefit on trade that the supermarkets do not have.
When you buy something in the supermarket and bring it home and cook it, you have control after your purchase, if it is shit, you can bring it back. With the global fast food joints they buy the meat, they cook the meat, they serve the meat. You have no control and no idea about what you are eating or how it was cooked. A good restaurant would be happy to answer questions about meat or veg and a good restaurant will know the source of that meat or veg.

I have a real problem when deciding what ingredients to use in a meal as I have a minefield of information to consider. Ethical considerations are important to me and this makes my job so difficult. Do I buy Lichees grown in Hebron? Do I Buy meat from a company that treats the animals that I buy that meat from very well but at the same time produces other meat on disgusting production lines? Do I buy a bucket of fresh strawberries from a producer that uses chemicals to deal with pests? Do I have any way of knowing that any food producer can be trusted without visiting their farms?
If I cook for you I need to get all these things straight in my mind before I cook. This is a nightmare for me as each ingredient that is not produced locally poses so many questions, regardless of weather it is meat or veg. Fruit is far far worse.

Sometimes I cook with shitty ingredients, I try not to, the world markets in food seem to encourage me to work with shit.
Sometimes people do not notice that I have sourced good meat or veg for their meal, but that is ok as I know I did not poison them with shitty food. The pleasure of great food comes to me from the knowledge of all the details of that food. Sadly the details have become more than muck and grass and exercise. There are somethings I will not cook such as bell pepper, as I know some foods are beyond the pale of reasonable doubt as to sustainability.

For me there is very little moral ground in ethical vegetarianism as the industry that sustains the vegetarian is no better than the meat industry, as I said before it is all shit. When it comes to sourcing good meat it is a little easier than getting good veg as there are more robust safeguards in place. To get good fruit is impossible unless it is local.

 

you're not a chef by any chance are you? haha

if you're not, you have the mentality to be a good one

 

do anybody knows where can i eat those so called meat-taste tofu products? like a restaurants or something like that. I only ate like those stuff in a hospital, and i do like it, its good for my diet.

 

^ In my country, they sell shrimp-flavored tofu in almost every good supermarket.

She's a buddhist.

I just remembered, she doesn't consume honey (as in the process of extraction, some bees die) and onion family (onion, garlic, shallot). It's quite interesting how she refuses to eat them (and it's not recommended by her religion too), she said it hurts her stomach, which lacks meat products in it.

 

that is very interesting, especially the onion family

 

Yes, I've never found this fact anywhere else and it seemed come from reliable source. Still, I need another confirmation/source of this matter.
1prinnydood, have you heard this as well? The vegetarian doesn't recommended to consume onion thingy?

 

Never heard of this kamuikurou. It may be that she is following a form of macrobiotic diet(this sort of fits in as honey is not eaten in this diet) but to be honest I do not know allot about the different types of macrobiotics. The other possibility is that she may have a constitutional reason for not eating onions, as Bhuddist and Hindu medicine recommend to eat or avoid eating certain things based on the person's constitution, for example skinny people should not eat apples.