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Swine Flu: Media taking it too far?

Discussion in 'General News' started by nhi_po, Sep 2, 2009.

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  1. nhi_po

    nhi_po Well-Known Member

    hrmm.....
    what is the difference between flu & swine flu, other than the origin?
     
    nhi_po, Oct 21, 2009
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  2. TirithRR

    TirithRR Well-Known Member

    Not much. Just a different strand.
     
    TirithRR, Oct 21, 2009
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  3. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    Anyone know if Swine Flu has a different Protein Coat like some strands of Fluenza? Or maybe the Common Cold would be a better example here.
     
    snebbers, Nov 10, 2009
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  4. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    yes, swine flu is a different strain and I imagine the protein coat is different since its able to protect the virus from most flu medication (tamiflu is the only one that works). Common cold is entirely different and cannot be treated with medication.
     
    Loonylion, Nov 10, 2009
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  5. mds64

    mds64 Well-Known Member

    I just met a new friend who's been quarrentied for this...freaky...

    Least him and his family are ok :)
     
    mds64, Nov 10, 2009
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  6. crimson089

    crimson089 Well-Known Member

    what about the h1z1 flu? lol
     
    crimson089, Nov 10, 2009
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  7. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    I mean a dynamic Protein Coat... Like a Dynamic IP Address. It's best described with colours or numbers.

    So like.. You contract Swine Flu 1... Your immune system tackles it for a period of time and you become immune to it...

    You Contract Swine Flu 2... Your immune system doesn't recognise it as it's not the same as Swine Flu 1 and it has trouble fighting it off again.
     
    snebbers, Nov 10, 2009
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  8. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    all viruses are like that.
     
    Loonylion, Nov 10, 2009
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  9. ace1o1

    ace1o1 Well-Known Member

    The media did the same thing with the SARS virus and the anthrax scares........

    everyone was afraid of SARS (the gullible) and the anthrax maybe even more

    i remember when the anthrax stuff was going around, i was around 11 or so....2001 or so?, but i was afraid that i would get a letter from someone that contained anthrax......now i know that i shouldn't have worried about it....but back then i didn't know what the media did......they just hype stuff up and then get everyone in a panic........

    the same thing with the swine flu.......even with me living in a small rural city like i do.....i have seen the occasional person (twice) have a med mask on....

    i personally got the shot cause i'm always in a college environment and i am around my brothers and sister everyday and i know a few people who have actually had it......but yeah......i don't appreciate the media instilling fear upon people when things aren't as bad as they seem..

    wow.......i just wrote a book again!!......
     
    ace1o1, Nov 11, 2009
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  10. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    Are they? Then what on Earth is the point of Vaccination?

    Anti-biotics only tackle bacteria and can't fight of viral infections because all viruses use a cell as a host.
     
    snebbers, Nov 11, 2009
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  11. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    they need to be exposed to the treatment to evolve. As an example, the western world eradicated TB through vaccination, but it was still present in the third world. Due to increased migration of third worlders to the western world over the last few decades, there is an increased chance of TB carried by the third worlders coming into repeated contact with immunised westerners, which could lead to it evolving and becoming resistant to treatment. For these same reasons, hospitals are a breeding ground for new drug-resistant so-called 'superbugs' such as MRSA, which is why hygine and cleanliness in a hospital is paramount. Let those standards slip, and as seen in the UK, you will have superbug outbreaks.
     
    Loonylion, Nov 11, 2009
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  12. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    Well does that just put dirt in your food.. I don't mind foreign people at all. As long as they don't give me any diseases or mistreat me in any way, then I'll be fine with them.

    Funny thought how England has had to fight off all of these bugs only to have them come back from the third world, you would have thought that they have bigger security measures.. I actually have an interesting e-mail saved about racism, so if anyone is accusing me of being racist then I will be glad to part some knowledge.
     
    snebbers, Nov 11, 2009
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  13. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    half the problem is the 'cost cutting' in the NHS, and the fact that money destined for the NHS ends up in the wrong place (i.e the managers' pockets). Cleaning has been outsourced to contractors and they dont necessarily do it to a high enough standard.
     
    Loonylion, Nov 11, 2009
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  14. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    I think that's disgraceful... So the money that comes out of peoples National Insurance tax goes towards the NHS and these cleaning companies who can't even be bothered?
     
    snebbers, Nov 11, 2009
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  15. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    yes, contractors are cheaper than in-house cleaning staff, however they are 'removed' from the situation and do not have the same drive for cleanliness as in house staff have. (contractors clean for a living, they get paid for cleaning. In-house cleaners are part of the hospital team and as such everyone on the team is working towards the best patient care. contractors are just doing a job without this team attachment, and it does make a difference).

    additionally, the NHS has on average 3 managers to every member of frontline medical staff (doctors, nurses, specialists etc). These managers are mostly on 6 figure salaries, so a large proportion of the NHS budget is spent paying managers' salaries rather than on frontline services. Add on to that the billions spent on completely uneccessary and doomed from the start projects (such as the NHS IT system), and you've a recipe for disaster.
     
    Loonylion, Nov 11, 2009
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  16. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    Well I didn't know that... I didn't have a very good viewpoint on the NHS as it is, and I knew they were abit wrong in the way they manage things, but that just takes the biscuit... SO why don't they just ask for In-House cleaners and pay them the same thing as they would the contractors. After all, the NHS is supposed to care about well being and cleanliness right? It is called the National Health Service for a reason :S
     
    snebbers, Nov 11, 2009
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  17. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    that depends who you are talking about when you say 'the NHS'. The medical staff care about patient wellbeing, and I dare say your ordinary clerical workers do as well. The managers care about their salaries, their bonus cheques, and how much they can shave off the cost of running the business (yes, the NHS is run as a business these days).
     
    Loonylion, Nov 11, 2009
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  18. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    Well okay then, a certain percentage of the NHS probably like to help people with their illnesses, but if they managed to get off of their backsides and actually tried to make a difference, the contractors I mean, then we wouldn't have all of these MRSA problems. I mean Sanitation isn't that hard when you put your mind to it. Because I learnt about it briefly at work experience and we used alcohol based wipes, which I admit might not be the best method, but it still did a partially good job. Taking it into account that I wasn't working in a medical facility.
     
    snebbers, Nov 11, 2009
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  19. ir4

    ir4 Well-Known Member

    yes they are taking it really far they already found a cure.
     
    ir4, Nov 16, 2009
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