PSP or NDS

Well, I did say RB for the PSP play more like a Amplitude on the PS2. And have you played the Amplitude multiplayer mode? Maybe you could check it out. As in the statement it suppose to behave like a hand-held PS2 I couldn't agree more but to say it limits the creativeness of gameplay is not. PSP does able to come up with some game with good creative gameplay such as Patapon, Loco Rocco, Downstream Panic and Katamari. So it is capable of in this segment. And about if it's suppose to be PS2 for handheld then it should be loaded with RPG's like the PS2 instead of having me to play PSX RPG instead on it. I bought a PSP which suppose to play PSP games and not emulators only.

As in the GH for the NDS add-on, maybe we Asians have a smaller palm as I am able to fit the device properly and sure it does have it's flaw in the games. I must agree certain games were not utilizing the touchscreen as it should be, there are a few good ones such as TWEWY, EBA and GTA.

I like both of the portable as both of them is able to perform well in it's own segment but the PSP does lack in terms of fresh games in constant flow and the NDS was overload with Shovelwares.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Two things here: one, you are putting words into my mouth, for I have never said or implied that "Rock Band in PSP (sic) is gonna be the same as Guitar Hero or the overall consoles" at all. I'd advise you to stop doing this from now on as not many people take it too kindly when you do that, as it is insulting.

Second, again, there you go with another baseless claim: "Coz as far as I know the Rock Band for PSP is just another DJ MAX with another name." You need to elaborate and emphasize on WHY or HOW Rock Band is "just another DJ Max", in which I will gladly counter with my rebuttal by shooting off a list of details comparing and contrasting those two games to show that Rock Band Portable is not even close to being DJ Max.

Sorry, Wikipedia is not an authentic source of information. You should go find another source to quote from. I've highlighted an erroneous detail (within your Wikipedia source) regarding the Fever bar as it does not fill up based on combo counts; fever bar is filled up by obtaining MAX 100% judgments.

And thank you for proving my point regarding DJ Max; as I suspected, you didn't play the game long enough to get the most out of it. So I'll go ahead and regard your opinion on DJ Max as invalid as you have no sufficient reasons to support your opinion.

Also, DJ Max Fever happens to be one of the worst DJ Max releases as it is supposed to be a convoluted international version of DJ Max Portables 1 and 2 combined with Portable 2's interface. Fever has bugs, and has the stupid auto-correct feature that you can't turn off (which is, you hit a wrong adjacent button to the note, the game will still count it). But looking beyond that crap, the music in that game is still well diverse. Of course, you would be able to know that if you had played the game sufficiently.

But, I'll give you one point for one right comparison: Beatmania. That is one of the few games that can be compared to DJ Max. Other games that can be compared to DJ Max are Ez2Dj, Ez2Online, and O2Jam as they all have very similar mechanics and style. That's it.

No, that is not the way to define "new gameplay". Taking certain games over to portable consoles, in which certain features get changed around in order to compromise the lacking features in portable consoles, is not considered "new gameplay". New gameplay would be new features built upon the previous features for that certain game, in which the dynamics of the gameplay changes significantly.

DJ Max Portable 2 is a perfect example of this: when DJ Max Portable 1 was released, it had no Fever bar feature, and all that game was just simply hitting notes and building high combos until you break. DJ Max Portable 2 however introduced the Fever bar that changed the entire gameplay dynamics as it emphasized on accuracy (which is needed to fill up the Fever bar) and rewarding accurate players with Fever bonus multipliers once the Fever bar is filled and activated. On top of that, gears, avatars, and notes each had different effects which are made to assist and/or hurt players, emphasizing the need to strategically select the equipment instead of stacking up on high-end equipment just like people did in Portable 1. I bet you didn't know any of this regarding DJ Max until now, did you?

And regarding your comparison of Rock Band Portable and Guitar Hero for DS, those two games (and this is strictly regarding those games on the PSP and DS respectively), are not comparable to each other due to different gameplay mechanics (in which I will go over in just a second), and that the Guitar Hero DS requires the use of a peripheral device which separates those two games even further (how convenient!)

Rock Band Portable, as you have mentioned, does follow the Amplitude gameplay style. Too bad that this concept just doesn't fit well for Rock Band Portable as the Rock Band game has originally been centered around the concept of multiplayer musical instrument play (which is what music bands do.) And yes, I agree with you 100% that the lack of multiplayer feature in Rock Band Portable has hurt this game quite a lot. But the main reason I would have to say why Rock Band Portable is a terrible game is because the Amplitude-like gameplay style turned Rock Band Portable into a ridiculous musical track balancing act. That is, each music track has an indicator of performance, and for each note missed, that instrument takes a dip in its respective performance meter, and you can only control one music track at a time. Also, while you are balancing multiple tracks at the same time, the other instrument tracks are not played at all, and even worse, those instruments end up suffering the loss in their performance. That feature gives players a microscopic room for mistakes on hard mode - once you screw up, you almost have no chance of recovering.

As for Guitar Hero DS, it's just the same old Guitar Hero that we know and love that is on the portable console (Nintendo DS). Just substitute the plastic guitar with the peripheral device and the guitar pick piece, and subtract one fret button. However, do note that the sound quality in Guitar Hero DS does suffer as the Nintendo DS does not have superior audio hardware built in. But, what can you expect from a ported version of any game that has been ported over to a portable console? Once the game is ported over to a portable console, certain things get watered down. This holds true for both, the DS and the PSP.

You know, that same logic can be used to describe many of Nintendo DS games that would (by your reason that you supplied here) make them "flat and boring". For example, how would you describe games such as Mario Kart DS (which can be synonymous to N64's version of Mario Kart 64), Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (practically the same as Pokemon for previous releases with more additional Pokemon), Metroid Prime Hunters (compare that to Gamecube's games), and Advanced Wars DS (compare that to GBA games)? Those are the games that can be considered "flat and boring" if we apply your reasoning to these games as "it has been done and played before on the" previous consoles. By the way, I consider all those games mentioned in my example as great games for the DS, and not to mention that all those games were highly acclaimed in their reviews for each. Do you see where your logic fails?

Again, elaborate please. I'm getting annoyed and frustrated every time you just say something without providing all the details necessary to illustrate your point. Which is why my posts are massively longer compared to yours as I provide complete details as much as possible to my points I make. And what do you mean in "short spurts"?

I'm glad to see that you have a sufficient list of games that you have played on your PSP, as it shows that your opinion is developed from your own experience (which was what I wanted to see from you all along.) But going back to your reason in which some games "look like and play like a PS2 game", the same could be said for a multitude of DS games that "look like and play like a (previous Nintendo console here) game", which I have pointed out before. I'll give you this however, that you do have a right to uphold a high expectation of the PSP. After all, you bought the hardware, and it is your right as a consumer to make sure you are getting the most out of that powerful portable gaming console.

If you are intrigued by Dissidia, you should take the time to go try that game. I'm certain you will not be disappointed by that game at all as that game has a lot of content to offer, and is quite replayable.

Regarding recommendations, I really can't offer you any as I do not know what sort of taste you have for games as it varies from person to person. But if you insist, since you like RPGs, I would suggest trying the following:

* Star Ocean: First Departure
* Star Ocean: Second Evolution
* Phantasy Star Portable <- If you have other people to play with, this game is fantastic
* Monster Hunter Freedom Unite <- This is a DEEP RPG game. And by deep, I mean it will take you a while to completely understand the concept of this game. Also, this game is very hard, harder than a priest on a playground, so if challenging RPG games are not your thing, don't bother with this one. This game is also great when you have other people to play with.

Having an opinion is fine as long as you give reasons to support your opinion, in which you have been lacking lately, thus making your opinions appear biased. As I have stated before, be complete regarding details to support your claims, so that way you would avoid being looked upon as biased.

Biased opinions lack detail, reason, and sometimes lack factual information (and in other cases, use false information) needed to back them up.

By the way:

^ These two posts are examples of biased opinions as they just state what they like with little or insufficient reasons.

Also, grondylion and -zero-, get out of this topic.

 

Hey Hypr,

Thanks a lot for the lengthy points and reasons. I am working so can't reply you yet but it's sure a good conversation and I respect that. BTW, if I ever appear to put words in you mouth plz do forgive me as I don't intend to do so. I was intended to mean something else. Hope you don't take it seriously. I will be specific with you in my next reply as i am running out of time here or else my boss will ask me what I am typing here. Lolx. Thanks for the recommendation but other then Star Ocean 2nd Evolution most of others I had played it. My taste is more on RPG and out of the world gameplay (I guess it's why i'm more of a NDS gamer.)

Cheers.

 

Hypr-Man that was long and detailed...my salute

Can anyone else do the same but towards the "DS" side of the discussion-that I'd love to read XD

(bored-need something to read-more than psp at least)

 

Oppsss. sorry my bad. NDS>PSP... ;D
But, when I survey around the shop in my area, there are less NDS games than PSP games...

 

Must be a crap shop-msot stores in australia have more ds than psp-if anything-they are trying to get rid of them.


Only the big stores like jb hifi and myer have them still-smaller one's are making little money and basically giving them away.


Bit like how Harvey norman stopped selling gamecube and gba games long before thier due dates were up...bastards...

 

Those GC games are long gone here, but GBA games are still widely sold at here..

 

Back in 2000 they were taking those off the shelves-like I said-WAY before thier time...


That's how bad it was-glad those idiots backflipped and sell wii's and ds's in mass-although thier outragoues prices prove why no-one bought gc/gba games in first place...

IDIOTS!

 

Such as?

I have supported both the PSP and the NDS for their own features respectively. The PSP is capable of taking advantage of high-resolution graphics and expansive amount of content via cutscenes, high-quality soundtrack, and extra bonus content such as movies, media or wallpaper. As Natalie has put it, the PSP is a simply a powerhouse console packed into a handheld. The Nintendo DS however excels at interactivity, which makes that console stand out as a class of its own. Games such as Phoenix Wright - Ace Attorney, and Trauma Center - Under the Knife exemplify the best features that the DS has to offer. No other gaming console (as of now at the time of this post) is capable of reproducing such features in their own games.

Which is why I believe that both the PSP and the DS simply cannot be compared to each other as their own respective features (along with their own purposes) show them both to be totally different portable console systems.

But if you want me to go into why the DS is a good system, I've already mentioned the interactivity factor which the DS hands down win at. But there are other games for the DS that are excellent as well that don't require the use of the stylus at all. Mario Kart DS, and Geometry Wars Galaxies show that superior games on the DS can also exist without the need of using the stylus/touchpad feature and/or high-resolution graphics.

Games for the PSP however usually take advantage of either of the two features: high-resolution graphics, and cutscenes / bonus content. After all, it's medium (the UMD) can hold large amounts of data (up to 1.6 GB exact) which give the PSP an advantage of being able to give more to the players should the developers take advantage of the UMD space.

It's important to note here that the PSP lacking the stylus touchpad, or the DS lacking the high-resolution graphics capability and the massive medium space for games do not make either system inferior to one another. Each of those portable consoles have been designed with a set purpose in mind for each of them, and as a result, both of those portable consoles have been designed with different features and attributes. Because of this, very few games from both, the PSP and the DS can be compared to one another as the features presented in each portable console have restricted the design of each game to where the gameplay mechanics would be different for each system. When the respective games of each console have different gameplay mechanics, then those games cannot be simply compared at all.

No harm done. But, I wouldn't advise you to post on these boards when you are at work. Getting caught for screwing around on the job is never a good risk to take.

I too work at a company in which I have access to internet, but I avoid visiting and posting here as long as I am still on the company's premises. I would advise you to do the same as well, as facing possible termination over such matter is never worth it.

 

Oh my goodness!!!! What an essay. Anyway, I prefer the Nintendo DS because of the Sonci and Mario games as well as the touch screen function.

 

I'm really picky about my games. I like both gaming devices.

I think PSP is harder to hack, and DS is easier to hack.

PSP - It has fewer games. But for some reason, I enjoy PSP games a bit more (Like Crisis Core, FF Dissidia, Taiko No tatsujin 1+2, Bleach Soul carnival and Locoroco.) You guys would probably kill me for this, but I sometimes find that graphics effect how I enjoy my game. I know gameplay is more important than graphics. But yeah, I need good visuals for me to enjoy my game more.

DS - I noticed that a lot of the games are aimed towards the younger age group more. I dont like stuff like cooking mama, Zoo tycoon, My Farm Around The World, and Nintendogs. I remember there was this babysitting game that my sister dled... it was not fun at all. But since its has a huge game selection, then I guess its okay.

There are good DS games though, like taiko no tatsujin DS, KH 358/2, Ace attorney series, And Ouendan.

 

well base on the poll above. NDS rocks!!!

 

Considering that you're on a ROM forum that doesn't deal with PSP isos, that's to be expected.

 

so?

 

You just wasted a post ya dummy.

Agreed.

I own both a ds (well...to be precise, all 3 types) and a psp-the ds has more quality games...and more of them, not to mention cheaper than the psp to simply run.

Plus better life-battery life that is

(just re-instating for those who don't know)

 

So i believe it's safe to say both the system have their pros and cons. And we sure hope to see more top titles to come out for them.

 

im going to have to say psp. It just has more mature games, with better graphics and things like that. I really like that i can emulate my gba games on it, especially since i love old school rpgs and platformers. I also hate that people havn't made any good shooters on ds, its my favorite genre and there are very few good shooters for ds.

btw i am not biased, my psp is my first sony gaming platform, and i've been with nintendo since gbc

 

i LOL'ed when you mentioned you loved oldschool RPGs and platformers, then you chose the PSP because of its maturity and graphics.

 

OK I think it was a bad idea to hold this poll on RomU, seeing as most of the members are people that download DS roms.

 

What he means is that the PSP gives him the best of both worlds.