Opinions on the new law in Arizona

Never heard of this

Also your drug points are for border control, not deportation. Deporting someone doesn't stop drug flow, as the person most likely has distributed the drugs already to dealers or other members of their organization. You're talking about the War on Drugs and it is something else entirely and is a failed operation.

 

honestly how does this differ from being arrested for not showing a valid I.D after the age of 18? oh wait it targets certain people not everyone... i know it might sound drastic but i think its a good idea considering illegals have swarmed my town lowballing every business and person in town. i dont mind showing my I.D to prove im old enough to buy alcohol or to prove im a US citizen so i think its about time we did something to make these people feel american

 

I think it's important to understand formost, that this law is illegal. It violates two constitutionally protected elements, and it will never be taken into effect. The first, the means of searching violate current interpretation of the 4th amendment, as can be seen in several US Supreme court cases. If need be i can explain this more, but i'll assume you understand this or you wouldn't be debating here.
Second, under article 10, states can not make immigration laws. So. That is pretty damning.
You can argue what should be the law, or what you want it to be, but that dose not matter.
The people who wrote, passed, and publicly support this "bill" do so only for political gain.

 

Because you don't get arrested and detained if you can't show I.D. at a bar, you just get refused service?

Are Americans that don't look Hispanic forced to carry around papers proving that they're American everywhere? Are they arrested if they don't?

Laws that could be seen as violating your amendments have been passed before. Acts that have violated your amendments have been carried out knowingly by government-sanctioned officials before now.

Which is why bills such as this one are submitted to Congress to be passed.

Politicians doing things for political gain... I'd never have believed it.

 

I spoke with some mexicans the other day and asked them how they felt, they are actually for the law. These people went through the process of becoming a legal citizen and they feel everyone else should follow the rules too. I'm no longer arguing for or against this, If the legal immigrants want this to stay, then i cant argue with that.

 

interesting. That makes it much more disappointing though.

 

This, I think, law to me is a very racist one, because if two illegal immigrants for example a Hispanic (not just Mexican), and a white person where walking in Arizona, there is a very very big chance that the Law Enforcement will only stop the Hispanic not the white one. In some occasions, I saw on the news that a Puerto Rican was deported because he was an Hispanic, worse of all he wasn't Illegal he had papers. All I have to say is if they do this to all races it would be okay, because it wouldn't be discrimination.

 

if you read Loony's post you would have to know for this to happen they'd have to be jay-walking or breaking the law, breaking the law... and what makes this different from requiring people to have a social security number? or a birth certificate? or I.D. it doesnt matter if you're purple.. you break the law you are REQUIRED to show I.D. proving who you are.. this law isnt racist in my opinion since it doesnt apply to one race it applies to immigrants all of them.. i think if you break the law in any country you dont originate from.. you should be considered a threat to that country's well-being and you should be deported back to where you came from

 

Question, does racism only point out to a specific race meaning only one like mexicans or is it pointed to any race despite the number as long as its different to the country? Like Mexicans, Asians, Canadians, Britons, Germans, Italians, Nigerians livings in the U.S. of A.?

I want to know if there is another term for it if i speak bad or horrible things to those nationalities. Cause I thought it was racism if i said anything bad/horrible to any foreign nationalities despite the numbers.

 

Racism:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

basically if you make fun of another race or make assumptions based on race (like saying "all asians are smart") its also racism

a term for not saying racism things is called a form of being "politically correct" if thats what you are asking but in other words its racist regardless of who you are talking about if its based on their race

anymore Q's about racism you can ask Littlekill he'll give ya a better definition hahahaha

 

thanks for the definition. My question was based on quantitative sense.
Is racism only pertains to 1 race or 2-more race?
2-more race racism...what is the term used for that if there is any?

 

So, in other words,

it is now legal for cops to racially profile people who look like Mexicans.

Yeah, that's a good idea.
:1

 

what the problem with that? isnt America founded by immigrants from Europe?

 

racism applies to any number of races not just 1 or 2

you can be racist against african-americans and not against asians and still be considered racist (if thats what you're asking) but i think xenophobe is the word you are looking for like loony said

 

On one hand, I have no problem with people coming into this country. I would prefer that they do it the legal way (which is really difficult in a lot of cases) and pay taxes. If you want to be American, go all the way or go home, don't just take the best parts and leave the responsibility at the door. The law, on the other hand, not only forces police officers to make snap decisions on someone, it's against our constitutional rights. The fourth amendment says that we have the right to refuse to identify ourselves as a result of "unreasonable searches and seizures" essentially, it allows these people to simply say "no" unless there's probable cause. Probable cause, last time i checked, didn't include "He looked Mexican" or "He didn't speak English well." If you find someone with drugs in their car, yes, ask for identification, but just stopping people and demanding to see identification isn't something I'm O.K. with.

edit: just read the post saying that it can only be done in case of a crime... isn't that the case everywhere? If I'm arrested for drug possession tomorrow, won't they ask to see identification?

-Jason

 

yes they will haha... and "probable cause" can easily be just about anything literally.. if you look the other way while answering any question asked of you. it can be enough to search you or ask for ID since that can be considered "suspicious behavior" plus the constitution can't defend against the "creative writing"done in the police report haha... in any case honestly is the best policy if they ask if you have any drugs or weapons on you, they're most likely gonna search you anyways and if you lie, they are not gonna be your friend at all haha


probable cause is a bitch haha

Police Officer: "did you just fart?"

Offender: "yes"

Police officer:"It smells like burritos.. im gonna have to see some ID"