"Nintendo Will Fail if They Plan on Releasing Another Home Console"

btw, that was a very nice response markswan!

 

I don't see what you mean by "Nintendo failing". The Wii has still topped sales, which is all that truly matters, the numbers. Than you have the DS, true, it is hand held. That portable console has established Nintendo's place even more solidly in the gaming world. With the introduction of the 3DS, Nintendo is continuing to make a run at holding their place on the gaming market.

Also, the PS3 didn't bomb. A poor launch does not mean the system bombed. Like many systems before it, it suffered from a range of sub-par launch titles with only one truly notable one in the mix. I would honestly take the PS3 I have over the 360 and the Wii. It is an incredible system with an amazing amount of extras where none feel unnecessary. The only reasons sales aren't as high is because only so many consoles can be produced at once, but most stores become sold out very quickly after getting a new stock of PS3's. I wouldn't call a lack of stock "bombing" sales.

Just a little something I noticed, you're a 360 fanboy, aren't you Ultra? I've seen you consistently slam PS3 and Wii in this thread, yet only see Microsoft brought up a number of times, pretty much never by you. When you do bring up the 360, it is far from negative. This is nothing but a "my system is better than your system!" thread, created by somebody with a misinformed opinion who uses internet articles as his weaponry while spouting the same useless BS over and over. You have provided nothing to support your opinion other than a biased, poorly written article.

Honestly, "a really good insightful article"? No, no, no.

 

I don't think he's a fanboy, he's just a fanatic on his own words. Be it contradictory and repeated.

I also have no clue where you get this from, that's just ridiculous.

 

when the wii was revealed everyone laughted about nintendo and that nintendo shouldn't even bother continuing making hardware as the wii was under powered and should become like sega, a third party developer. you've forgotten already, just as how you've forgotten that final fantasy 13 was suppose to be a ps3 exclusive as well as devil may cry 4. but after 4 years, nintendo is still suppose to be a third party developer or at least third place while the ps3 was suppose to be like the ps2, a winner. http://37signals.com/svn/posts/132-nintendo-thriving-in-third-place
http://rickyopaterny.com/blog/2006/12/03/nintendo-a-third-place-winner/

the wii and ps3 launched at the same time. one did better then the other. even worse, sony has more money then nintendo. you are correct, i wouldn't call the ps3 a bomb. after all the ps3 has 34 million world wide now as opposed to 136 million world wide on the ps2. no i wouldn't call it a bomb. it should be called a success!

 

A third party developer is like an independent game studio, you twat. Nintendo is a first-party developer. Get your fucking definitions right.

The Wii launched far before the PS3, and has had far more sales than the PS3 because the latter has had no flagship titles until very recently with God of War, etc. There was also plenty of hype about the Wii. Nobody laughed because it was just so damn innovative. Get your fucking facts straight.

And those articles aren't supporting your opinion at all, goddammit. They're analysing Nintendo's unique business approach (that they make a simple console and make money out of that as well, since there still can be decent games on what you think is underpowered hardware), and what's more, they're saying it's been hugely profitable when compared to the Microsoft/Sony business strategy of "HURR DURR THROW MORE MONEY AT IT". I'm also annoyed at your apparent idea that good games can't be on relatively low-powered systems. Look at Final Fantasy 7 or whatever you fags think is good (6 is superior btw). They were on the PS1, so obviously they're not good games because they're on underpowered hardware?

Nintendo has made far more money out of the Wii just from sales, not simply because Sony makes a slight loss on each console, but because there are far more Wiis out there than PS3s. Neither console has bombed, but your assertion that the PS3 is more successful is wrong.

tl;dr SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU'RE WRONG. YOU KEEP PULLING FACTS AND OPINIONS OUT OF YOUR ASS AND ONLY READING AND INTERPRETING WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE, WHEN REALLY, YOU'RE HURTING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT BY BEING A MASSIVE FUCKING RETARD.

 

Spoiler

i'm quoting this so loony and seph and the mods can do something about this. this sort of lanuage and agression isn't needed.

back to topic, ps3 was released november 11 and the wii was released november 19. did the wii had a launch before the ps3? certainly if you didn't know the release dates.

sega was in a disasterous place. they were last but not only last, they were in the 4th place. if you're in the fourth place, it's big trouble. what happened to sega?! they became third party. this was expect of nintendo this generation when the wii was suppose to be dead last in third place, as mentioned by many in the release of the wii in 2006.http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12890
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/report-ps3-delay-to-have-little-impact-on-next-gen-race/68698/?biz=1

i particularly like this one because it means the direction of sega, third party direction
http://kotaku.com/gaming/console-wars/analyst-revolution-nintendos-last-console-138532.php

bill's response to motion controller, and now he's full blown on natal!?
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1532461/20060524/index.jhtml?headlines=true

and the april fools joke of the wii,
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6146958.html?page=4

the one console that hasn't bombed is the 360. they stayed status quo, that is they remained in second last generation and they're still second. again, the ps3 didn't bombed at all because 34 million compared to 136 million isn't really a significant loss. i don't really believe losing 100 million owners is a loss. it's an opportunity for nintendo and microsoft to take them.

 

I think you're confusing the words "class" and "party," man.

Lol. Oh dear an April Fool's Joke! That means we fail!

 

What did I say? That's right, a 360 fanboy.

 

Boo-fucking-hoo. Go cry in a corner.

These articles are bullshit. They're opinion pieces from 2006-2007. Every link you've given us has been old and doesn't reflect the current market, and I think I know why. It's because current articles cannot support your bullshit claims of Wii inferiority.

I'm requesting a lock of this topic if I don't get given some very recent articles. If we don't get them, then there is really no point in continuing an argument with somebody too batshit retarded to even check the dates of his so-called "evidence" because he's so caught up in trying to prove his OPINION.

 

I'll pick through that when you learn to quote properly.

 

Romulation has forums? Anyways...bahahaha, Nintendo knows what they're doing. Here's an avenue of thought: Nintendo WILL NOT fail if they make a new console because they can use the innovation of the Wii with the graphics of the current gen systems to net less overhead costs, compared to Sony and Microsoft, since current gen hardware is becoming cheaper.

I mean, it's just a thought, but really...Nintendo isn't going anywhere even if they make a new system that flops.

 

I took the lazy route and put my opinion in bold within the quotes, so what?
If you're referring to the fact that i lost track of where a had and hadn't inserted bold tags then feel free to "pick through" now as i've now corrected myself.

 

Many thanks.

"Was predicted". You'll note that those claims are from three or four years ago. They've lost any relevance now, regardless of whether I interpreted wrong or not. His entire argument is moot because it's based on old claims that don't reflect the modern market.

Okay, you got me on the release date thing (although I was sure the Wii was released in Oceania first). I didn't back it up. Little Big Planet seems more like a gimmicky app for the PS3, Uncharted is still fairly recent, and I'm heavily biased because I never listen to anything about the PS3. Also, raging is how I conduct myself when I'm being confronted by an imbecile. You'll notice That I am quite capable of holding a mature and reasoned debate.

I'll point out that I didn't like FF7. Give me 4 or 6 any day, the storytelling is far better even if it doesn't leave a lot of open-ended scope. My point there was simply to refute any claim that a good game cannot be on a low-powered system. It's like saying, "this system can't do this, so all the games on it are bad". My PS1 can't play DVDs, but Star Ocean 2 is amazing anyway. NMH and NMH2 are both great games for the Wii that have taken advantage of what the Wii has to offer. It's not all about polygon counts. It's about working innovatively inside the limitations given (see Scribblenauts, for instance). I agree that there are a couple of games that could have been ported to the Wii had it had better hardware (Soul Calibur 4), but Nintendo's business model for the Wii does cater to the casual market rather highly. Yes, because of this, the Wii might not have as many good games as any other given console. But that said, I will steadfastly argue against any assertion that better hardware automatically means better games. I'd much rather play No More Heroes 2 than Halo 3.

And as for jumping on the "bash ultra" bandwagon, have you considered that there's a reason to bash ultra? Like his generalised claims based on three-year-old articles projecting the failure of the Wii? Or his tendency to ignore what he doesn't want to read and/or can't rebutt? I'm not one for bandwagons, but he deserves every bit of the ridicule placed on him.

 

Markswan, the reason why I've been bashing ultra because he has three topics he failed at, and he's done the same thing all the time. If you choose to dig up old topics of his that have a couple of posts, you'll see it's the same thing every time. If you see someone doing the same mistake, it's no longer a mistake, it's a problem.

Also <3 Suis.

Because obviously ultra's arguments are intelligent. Insane, gaynor, Suis and I (include Hypr, why not), are frustrated with his fallacies and illogical arguments.

 

God dammit /v/, greentext doesn't even work here.

 

> implying greentext doesn't work here

ITT: YHBT

 

>implying it's not the thought that counts

 

True, and i never defended them.

I've read his past posts, and from what little i could understand of them i gather that he is indeed repetitive and sometimes very annoying; but he would surely give up reinstating the same opinion/s as facts over and over again if people didn't keep piling attention on him and engaging in faux "debates" he may begin to see sense and take facts into account before forming his opinions. Otherwise debating with him is like trying to convince a deeply religious person that there is no God; a pointless exercise in exasperation where the more you argue reason the further they retreat behind their blind faith and deafen themselves to it.

I agree with all of the above, my argument was that the hardware of the Wii has played some part in the overall quality of the games available for it. Super Mario Galaxy was one of the prettiest games that i've ever seen, and the most fun i've had in years.

I can only reiterate may above point about luring a religious person into logic. Nobody deserves to be mocked so visciously; even if they are spouting rubbish, and not all of his points are crap.

Then why bother arguing with him? I have looked over his past posts, and it seems that despite the fact that he's a broken record with no logical backing to most of the things he claims; the responses he gets from people like you and that Hypr guy make his threads worth reading. Say what you like about him, but there would be a lot less intelligent posts without the bait of his opinions.

 

One lone mistake in your otherwise well-written post, and that's assuming I operate on the same basic ethical and moral principles as most people.