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Is this pc any good?

Discussion in 'Computers & Modding' started by rick4ever, Aug 8, 2010.

  1. Suiseiseki

    Suiseiseki Well-Known Member

    I don't really see what the issues with Dell are. It'd be exactly the same computer if I bought the parts separately and assembled my computer from scratch. You've still got a manufacturer's warranty and the specs are very nice (especially that CPU). If cooling's honestly going to be an issue, buy a new case as well (which should only set you back ~100 Euros) and rebuild it in that. Oh, and as loony said, try getting Win7 Pro 64-bit so you can utilize the extra RAM while maintaining compatibility.
     
  2. rick4ever

    rick4ever Well-Known Member

    I guess you are right, cooling won't be an issue. But I was also wondering if the stuff in the pc are worth the price.
     
  3. Suiseiseki

    Suiseiseki Well-Known Member

    Cooling will likely be an issue with the i7, not going to lie. Intel processors run hot and I'm unfamiliar with the current Dell cases.

    Best way to test pricing is to look up each component (don't forget Windows 7 Pro) separately and make a total cost for buying and assembling it from scratch (use the custom case for calculations). Most countries have some sort of price comparison website where you can compare costs across vendors. If it's around the same price and you're uncomfortable with building it yourself, buy it from Dell and get someone you trust with a thousand euros of PC gear to replace the casing. If you know what you're doing and the prices are similar, order the parts individually and build it straight into the custom case.
     
  4. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    dell have always used coolers that are barely adequate for the processor they are attached to, and in my experience they glue the cooler to the chip so separating them without damaging the chip is nigh on impossible. Transplanting to another case is also easier said than done due to dell's habit of using non-standard parts
     
  5. Suiseiseki

    Suiseiseki Well-Known Member

    Noted, but what are you referring to by non-standard parts?
     
  6. garychencool

    garychencool Well-Known Member

    This is way better than my PC
     
  7. Noukon

    Noukon Active Member

    It's not BAD.

    Not top-of-line, but definitely a pc to buy, it'd be like a 8/10. (mines like... a 5/10 at most)
     
  8. lil_azn_a55a5in

    lil_azn_a55a5in Well-Known Member

    Amazing features really good for gaming but umm the fact that its a dell kinda makes me uncomfortable.
     
  9. XravE93

    XravE93 New Member

    The videocard is outdated and the processor isnt worth the price for games. Build you own PC. It is so much cheaper and you get better specs.
    Get a AMD quadcore or hexacore if you want. They are much cheaper than intel and you wont get much more power out of them in games.
    What videocard you take depends on the resolution of you monitor. For 1920x1080 you wont have a lot of fun with the gts260. I would recommend a HD5850 but if you really want to have nvidia get a gtx470.
    Building a PC urself is always better!!
     
  10. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    umm there's nothing wrong with that video card. I run everything maxed at 1920x1080 on a GTX280. Monitor resolution is irrelevant, anything with more than 256MB VRAM can drive a 1920x1080 monitor. Also more cores does not help games. Anything above dual core is entirely unnecessary for anything other than SMP aware programs.
     
  11. rick4ever

    rick4ever Well-Known Member

    I thought the processor was the best one on the market for gaming and other stuff.
     
  12. XravE93

    XravE93 New Member

    I guess you have no idea!
    First a gtx 280 is a lot of stronger than a gts260. But they are both from the old generation. They only support DirectX 10. HD5xx and gt4xx support directx11! So if you want to play future games with high settings you will need a Dx11 card.
    Second Monitor Resolution is so relevant in games:
    http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,696250/Radeon-HD-5850-reviewed-The-DirectX-11-bargain/Reviews/?page=7
    Switch the Resolution from 1280x1024 to 1980x1080. You will loose nearly half of the fps. And i guess all of those cards do have more than 256 vram.

    Now to the processor.
    If you say more than 2 cores are useless for games, than you must also add that the hyperthreading of the i7 is useless in games eigher.
    But some games do support 4 cores and in the future more and more will do. Try playing bad company 2 with a dual core. Not much fun. So if you buy a new PC i would recommend at least a quadcore.
    The i7s are only usefull if you want to use your computer as a server or something like that.
    Probably it gives you 5 more fps in some games but in others a amd X4 can do 5 more fps. But and amd processor is about 50-100 euro cheaper.
     
  13. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    I guess you don't realise I'm an IT professional with over 10 years experience. The 300 and 400 series cards are primarily designed for scientific computation, NOT gaming. they are massive overkill for gaming, Newest isn't always best. Indeed I've heard from other people that the 260 is in fact better for gaming than the 280, as the 280 is a scientific computation card.

    i7 hyperthreading is a completely different ballgame to multiple cores, and it is, in actuality, inferior to multiple cores. It was intel's first attempt at competing with AMD's dual core architecture and also to shore up the shit performance of the P4 netburst architecture. It allows running two threads in parallel, but does so by stealing cycles from the physical processor, so while you're running two threads simultaneously, they are both running slower than a single thread would. Multicore runs multiple threads at approximately the same speed as a single thread runs. So yes, hyperthreading is useless in games, and also useless in just about everything else. As for your statement that playing bad company 2 with a dual core is 'not much fun', I have a dual core and it runs every game I throw at it just fine, so try getting a faster dual core. Core speed is more important than number of cores, and FYI I have a dual core, a quad core and an octocore.

    i7s are DESKTOP processors, they are NOT designed for servers. i7s do not support registered memory, which servers use.
     
  14. msg2009

    msg2009 Romulations sexiest member

    So is an AMD quadcore better for games?
     
  15. damanali

    damanali Well-Known Member

    And i thought you just need 1 core for a single use, like if you just plan to use your comp for gaming, you just need 1 core...

    Um, if i'm playing a game and i have a quadcore, does that mean, my comp is using all the cores just for a game? Is gaming multitasking?

    Cause i though you need more cores if your doing more things at the same time, like typing, while surfing the net, while listening to mp3 and playing solitaire and video editing.... all at the same time...
     
  16. XravE93

    XravE93 New Member

    That might be true, but then he shouldnt pay so much money for that PC if there is only a old and"cheap" videocard and a useless multicore processor in it?
    If you are an IT professional why do you say stuff like monitor resolution is irelevant, because that is definetly wrong!

    It depends on how much cores the application can use. Games like Bad Company 2 do use 1 core for sound 1 for physix and so on.

    I would say you get more power for a lot of less money^^
     
  17. msg2009

    msg2009 Romulations sexiest member

    Good, looks like I got a bargain :)
     
  18. lugia543

    lugia543 Guest

    My laptop could have run all the latest games at full speed if it wasn't for this GODDAMN INTEL 950!!!!! intel duo core at 2.6 GHZ, 2 gigabytes of RAM and oh what's that? intel 950 you say? YOUR COMPUTER SUCKS AT GAMING GO GET A NEW GRAPHICS CARD!
     
  19. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Age does not matter, capabilities do. The GTS260 is a perfectly capable card. why pay more for a card you don't need? I never said multicore was useless, I said anything above dual core brings no benefit to games, that is not the same thing as 'useless'. Multitasking is improved with multicore, but after dual core its affected by diminishing returns and you see no further benefit after quad core.

    It is not wrong. Higher resolution requires more video ram, but in terms of the amount it needs compared to the amount that modern graphics cards actually have, it is irrelevant. 1920x1080 is about 2 megapixels, which would require a few MB of video ram per frame. Given that all modern video cards have hundreds of MB, even GBs in some cases, the resolution doesn't matter. What's more important is the response time of the screen at high resolution.

    Properly programmed games offload the sound onto the sound card (which is its job) and even in the event of there being only a very basic sound card with no onboard processor it would be a waste of a core. Physics is handled by the GPU not the CPU.

    Unfortunately this is no longer the case. Four years ago you would have been correct. I'm a long term AMD user, and while AMD have been vastly superior to intel ever since the Athlon, Intel managed to catch up and overtake with the Core series. AMD have not yet come up with anything that can compete with the i7s.
     
  20. timmy1991

    timmy1991 Well-Known Member

    Octocore, they have those now?
    Sorry that's the only thing I really got out of your post Loony...

    I don't see why people need 2-4 cores for games. I can play a lot of the newer games on decent settings on my Dell, with a 3GHZ pentium 4.