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Immigration in the UK

Discussion in 'Rants' started by cjdogger, Aug 28, 2008.

  1. equitypetey

    equitypetey Well-Known Member

    OK lets get back on topic this is about the UK and its issues not a flame war of other related opinions, if someone feels a certain way don't beat them down with your e-stick just cause you feel a different way discuss don't bitch at each other.

    on topic.
    as i said before I'm not to bothered by the polish they work hard and they do there job, to be honest i don't know how they do it they pay bills and send money home. i guess we are greedy which leads me to my next point.
    yes they are willing to take less pay but why don't we ....... because we are greedy and spend our money and don't treat it like its the thing that keeps us alive.
    and in most cases they don't steal jobs they do the ones no one else will do!
    dentists for example all English dentists are greedy bastards and all have private surgeries polish people are the only ones that will work for the nhs.
    there was a radio news issue on this a few months back and a farmer said he advertised for strawberry pickers for weeks across the whole of the UK and he had no replies then he put an ad in one city in poland and within hours had all the people he needed.
    and this is half the problem allot of people in the UK are lazy and not prepared to do some hard graft for some cash they just want it given to them and if its not oh well you can just stand outside the jobcentre with your can of special brew and have the government pay you.

    the worst immigrants are asylum seekers as they come to get away from there shit hole country get given everything and then start to make demands, fuck off take what your given and be happy.
    not only that but when they come they don't spread these people out they put them each in an area with the same type of people and this causes the problem that they don't intergrate as all the people they live around speak the same language and have the same culture, so as a group make demands and its stupid. if they didn't let everyone in and when they did spread them out across the country it would be OK.
     
  2. Littlekill

    Littlekill Well-Known Member

    I know a pinoy here in the states who never moved out of his parents home and hes now in his late 30s... he also cought bone marrow disease and will die from it in a few years... moral? MOVE OUTTA YOUR PARENTS HOUSE LEST YE BE SMITED WITH CANCER!

    Oh and i see drug dealers all the time, not for me of course *cough*
     
  3. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    Why are you guys too receptive of other people's beliefs, traditions & cultures?

    Honestly I myself can't understand your beliefs as well ???

    Leaving your parents behind like they are nothing more like cats or dogs. Those people raised you God damn it. They fed you when you were hungry, the made you well when you fell ill & they even paid for your education, the least you can do is care for them in anyway you can. We (Filipinos in general) value our family, so much so that we are willing to sacrifice everything for our loved ones. That's why though I really hate the idea, some of our countrymen go their way to find work abroad to support their families. Though they're away, it's their families that's always in their hearts & minds. And we also value the extended family concept, where several generations may live under one plot of land or even under one roof. That's how strong our family ties are :D
     
  4. Littlekill

    Littlekill Well-Known Member

    After all of those magical things they also gave me the giant boot to the ass
     
  5. Hypr

    Hypr Well-Known Member

    Just because you have values which resonate in the Philippines doesn't mean it applies to the entire world.

    Here in the US, there is a time that when you grow up, you need to get the hell out of your parent's house and live on your own. That, however, does not mean you completely abandon them, but becoming independent is something that people should be strive for. After all, your parents will NOT live forever. Once they pass away, and you still have not found a way to become independent, you're screwed.

    ^ To anyone that reads that, don't mistake that as corporal punishment. Littlekill means that his parents kicked him out of the house which commonly happens in United States.
     
  6. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    Back at you guys, seriously this is getting no where.

    Oh & here, our parents would want it more if you never left, even if you married & get kids. It's either the man goes off to live with the wife's family (in-laws) or the other way around.
     
  7. Seph

    Seph Administrator Staff Member

    That's definitely not part of western culture, my parents want me out and I'm 20. Not because they don't want me living with them but because it's a huge step in becoming an independent person and they really want that for me. It's just something that's fostered through our culture.

    Littlekill is just a bit mentally trouble sometimes and spouts shit when he can't think of a proper argument.
     
  8. BloodVayne

    BloodVayne Well-Known Member

    First, off-topic:
    No offense, but he DID say
    And in no way did Hypr imply that HIS values were most correct, while you, on the other hand, implied that you didn't care what he thought and asserted your values were the only ones that matter. :)

    Now, on topic:
    I lived in Canada for 5 years, and immigrants are generally well-received by the local residents. I can see why a country like the UK would have problems with immigrants, considering just how much immigrants come in compared with how many jobs are available. However, immigrants usually take whatever jobs they can find, and someone said earlier, jobs that the local residents wouldn't want. And this is the problem. The locals are accustomed to getting the "cushy" jobs without competing with the immigrants, which are often more determined and more willing to do anything to survive (as they have probably learned in their respective homelands).
     
  9. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    I forgot to mention, this tradition of extending families, isn't a lame excuse for saying, "I don't want to leave the family nest because I can mooch off my parents &/or other relatives". Yeah you may live under the same plot of land or even under the same roof with your in-law parents & siblings, but you definitely can't mooch off of them, you have to fend for yourself.

    A good example I can sight are my cousins. They have families of their own, but because their ancestral home is big enough they never left. They're four brothers & sisters who each have their own families, thus having individual familial obligations of their own. They renovated the house so it can accommodate the five families (including the parents), each one has separate bills they pay on their own & in return, whenever their parents get into any pinch, the brothers & sisters give out any spare cash they can to help out.

    And oh yeah, as kids we enjoy being around our grandparents & cousins, not unlike others where they want nothing to do with their relatives outside the immediate home setting.

    We also have families outside blood relations too, like my Godmother, her nephews & nieces are somewhat my Godcousins.

    I just hope this ends here because frankly it's getting old.

    On Topic:

    It's not just the greater nations that are getting an influx of immigrants. As I said, here in our tiny hovel, we get Europeans, Americans & Koreans flooding like sheep. There are now entire communities where every person is from another nation. But instead of the income reason, their flocking is a result of wanting to get away from their country's laws & governance. Like the Koreans, their country has such a tight governance system that they find living there a bit tough, so they migrate here to get away from it.
     
  10. BloodVayne

    BloodVayne Well-Known Member

    I can see you have valid reasons and arguments why you would choose to live with your parents/extended family,so on and so forth. What I don't get is the fact that you don't recognize that other people's opinions and reasoning are valid as well. In some countries (mine included), it has become a part of culture that children at a certain age will have (or, is strongly obliged) to move out of their parents/extended family's house and live life on their own. It's not that we aren't grateful, or we don't want anything to do with our parents, or even we are abandoning them, it's because we want to be independent. Nothing more, nothing less.

    And about immigration; it GENERALLY occurs from developing countries to developed countries. And you imply from your post that immigrants come to the Philippines to escape the law in their respective homelands (which isn't good, however you look at it). Out of curiosity, is the law there much more lax than the countries you mentioned?
     
  11. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    I do see other people's opinions as valid, given proper justification. What I don't appreciate is being targeted for my beliefs, like what those two kinda are doing.

    As for laws? Most laws passed here are so lame they're useless. We don't even have proper laws governing the internet so Yay! By being lax, I'm referring to those laws like family child regulations laws, laws regarding assets, if you're foreign, the local tax revenue board kinda overlooks you, so foreigners can set up businesses that maybe of an "illegal" side, like cyberporn businesses, human trafficking & drugs.
     
  12. Hypr

    Hypr Well-Known Member

    What? Being targeted for your beliefs? The only thing I see you doing is posting in blind rage just because you have mistaken people's posts including mine as somehow being offensive to you. No one was attacking you for your beliefs Cahos. Just read more carefully next time please.

    Thank you Bloodvayne! That's exactly how many of us feel about Cahos's posts.
     
  13. Littlekill

    Littlekill Well-Known Member



    fuck yes
     
  14. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    I just think that there should be a vote on how immigration is, this country is a democracy country, it's our right to say yes or no to millions of immigrants coming in, many people would like a points system like Australia does, that would probably weaken the problem but it would still not be fully solved...
     
  15. ultra

    ultra Guest

    now you know what the americans [americans as in the USA] are going through with the mexicans and everyone south of the border [south and central america].

    there were even instances where the spanish community wanted to change the national anthem into spanish. then there was that arguement in the 90's where spanish and chinese may become part of the language used along with america. a similar idea to some of the european nations that have two languages like in sweden where you have german and france as their primary but also other languages or better yet canada where they speak both france and english.
     
  16. equitypetey

    equitypetey Well-Known Member

    the difference in America is you can treat them like shit, basically slaves. Dance monkey dance you might say to your Mexican gardener and he'd do it without complaining.
    the UK has to be so politically correct it is beyond stupid. like if you are white and born in the UK anyone can be as horrible as they like but if your a so called minority or just not white British the slightest comment is taken way out of proportion and terned into a hate crime.
     
  17. ultra

    ultra Guest

    yeah, in case you haven't noticed you [the british] did colonized most of the world during a time in history. remember?!

    the americans are just assholes where they think everything is theirs and so and so.
     
  18. equitypetey

    equitypetey Well-Known Member

    the british empire!

    if only we were back in those days. but we were idiots and GAVE! it all back and now look where we are
     
  19. ultra

    ultra Guest

    where's loony and all the nut job brits here to support this!? ;D
     
  20. insanecrazy07

    insanecrazy07 Well-Known Member

    Also, down in Arizona, my friend was telling me that if they (they, meaning the extremist reactionary white population in Arizona) saw a Mexican at anytime, they would instantly start shooting at them, illegal immigrants or not.

    If you come to a foreign country, you are expected to conform to the society's norms. Don't expect to change them. Most people drop their own culture and assimilate into the American one. I see Muslim women with full burkas, and some with half-burkas. The ones with half-burkas usually speak English. Assimilation. Just because an entire community sprouts up doesn't mean that they have the right to create their own "little country" within a country. Just because they showed up doesn't mean that we have to drop everything and change the whole country just for them. I'm mostly just talking about languages, not so much anything else. I HATE it when people are in public and speaking anything other than English. I usually appreciate other peoples' cultures but I just hate it when they refuse to work with the system that we have. It's because of this reluctance to learn English that I'm taking a foreign language class. Boo hoo on my part right? Boo hoo if I can't service you if you aren't speaking English.

    Because of 9/11, the "average Americans" that I keep bashing will always hate the Muslim population and culture.

    Sounds like Jesse Jackson in the US. One little "racial slur" like the Don Imus incident (that wasn't directed at all blacks, there was a white girl on the team) and Jesse Jackson has to make a big scene. Don Imus didn't even mean it as a "racial slur" anyway.

    Most independent businesses find a way to screen out foreigners or people with mental handicaps. Either they are not on the books and paid well below minimum wage, or they are screened by either a placement exam, or they're given far too many tasks to handle at once.