If you are atheist, should you be considered the anti-christ?

It's pretty obvious we are the creation of a higher being, which is the one we call God.

There have been photos of rock layers where an evolutionist will say that each layer represents thousands and thousands of year, yet they refuse to talk about the photo that shows a dinosaur's fossil stretching through several layers. How can a dinosaur that died in a single point in time possibly be inside several layers of the rocks, is his head 10,000 years older than his feet? No. This once again proves that there is a huge flaw in evolution and the methods scientists use in telling us how old things are.

Notice how we have a natural instinct of survival? Don't tell me this is just some scientific blah blah whatever. This is an imprint given to us from God to help preserve our lives so we can strive and move forward in our path to find God.

The Bible has referenced space and compares the number of stars to the grains of sand on the beaches. Scientists today have discovered there to be roughly 10²¹ stars in space, and sand at an estimated 10 to the 25th power, eventually the actual count will approach and match this number.

Biology, Meteorology, Anthropology, Hydrology, Geology, and Physics are all referenced IN the bible itself and as Science continues to progress it will continue proving facts in the Bible to match with the facts they produce.

Our Lord is Jesus Christ.

 

i would but im on my psp and it gets tedious.
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THANK YOU!!!

someone understands.

 

Ok.

Wow.
That's pretty deep.

I'd have to agree with you there. I don't see how there are so many things in the world that can't be explained by science.

 

Quite handy indeed, would you like to elaborate on what you were saying about stupid comments? Furthermore you appeared to be attempting to change the subject away from a pretty clear cut argument with very little counterpoints from the other side. Also if you plan on signifying who I am in the future "Dino" works fine it's much better than "the dino guy".

 

I can offer reasons for all these points, but I know Littlekill well enough to know he's probably just playing devel's advocate and I really couldn't be bothered to counter argue just to be laughed at for rising to the bait.

 

I can offer references and sources to everything i said. It's all in the bible god dammit!

 

So is "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" as well as "forgive thy neighbour". As factual texts go, the Bible is a fairly poor example. I don't believe that it's out and out fiction, but I do believe that it's mostly hearsay and rumours and therefore not to be trusted.

 

lets see them littlekill, i want them to see how their science doesn't prove every damn thing.

 

Science doesn't prove "every damn thing" conclusively, evolution is just a theory though it is widely accepted as fact and makes one hell of a lot more logical sense than creationism.

 

humans can't grasp knowledge on something far out of our reach, after all big bang is a theory itself. we try to know to much and we can't, not without experiencing it. that's what the bibles for, to tell us how things were made, men can't decipher what is out of our reach.

 

Sooooo......... Who wrote the bible? Just hazarding a guess right here but..... man?

 

You got it!

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BIOLOGY

Leviticus 17:11
‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood,
and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls;
for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’

The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body’s temperature, and removes the waste material of the body’s cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical life—confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.

Meteorology

The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.

Ecclesiastes 1:6
The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.

Anthropology

We have cave paintings and other evidence that people inhabited caves. The Bible also describes cave men.

Job 30:5,6
They were driven out from among men,
They shouted at them as at a thief.
They had to live in the clefts of the valleys,
In caves of the earth and the rocks.

Note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who scattered from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who competed successfully for the more desirable regions of the earth. Then for some reason they deteriorated mentally, physically, and spiritually.(Go into a bad part of your town and you will see this concept in action today.)

Hydrology

The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle.

Psalm 135:7
He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
He makes lightning for the rain;
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.


Jeremiah 10:13
When He utters His voice,
There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
“And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
He makes lightning for the rain,
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”

Geology

The Bible describes the Earth’s crust (along with a comment on astronomy).

Jeremiah 31:37
Thus says the LORD:
“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD.”

The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people thought that the earth was spherical.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Physics

The Bible suggests the presence of nuclear processes like those we associate with nuclear weaponry. This is certainly not something that could have been explained in 67 AD using known scientific principles (when Peter wrote the following verse).

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

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This is only the tip of the iceberg that is the complete destruction of the evolution scam

 

How is it obvious, please explain.

The scientists take that into account, they measure from the bottom of the layer. This is because when the Dinosaur died it rested on top of the Earth rather than sinking through it.

Don't tell me what not to say, or don't post in the debates thread, it kind of defeats the purpose. Evolution can also explain the survival instinct and there is even recent evidence to support this. The dodo did not need the survival instinct as the island it lived on had no predators. Fear takes up energy, so dodos that wasted their energy on fear didn't spend as much time procreating and so the survival instinct was filtered out. Then when a predator was introduced, the dodos who didn't have the survival instinct were quickly wiped out and stopped procreating, so there are no more dodos. The same thing would happen with anything else that did not develop a survival instinct.

That was simply someone using a metaphor to describe something. Even if you take it literally they were incorrect. They were out by billions of billions.

You've gotten that backwards. As science disproves "facts" in the Bible, the religious orders will modify the Bible citing 'translation errors' or 'degradation of information as the bible stories were passed on by word of mouth'. This is how religion has operated for centuries. Every time science disproves something it is either ignored, discredited or religion changes what it said.

I can't argue with that, if you want to call Jesus Christ your lord, that's your business.

I'll read your next post now

 

wow great littlekill, and dino its simple...man did BUT God helped these indivuals like moses for example, he didn't help scientists with ''theories'' but he helped man with truth thus is why we have a bible. its not a hard concept to follow.

 

Exactly, its so simple that any idiot can understand it.

There is a reason America is a Christian Country!

I'm just going to ignore Gaynor's post because he didnt include anything to back his statements up. While I have quotes from the bible.

 

no more half assed replies so i think it might have finally sinked in.

 

So if the "Holy Book" of a religion is written by man who is guided by a deity, in the christian case "God" lets look at an example of someone being "Guided by God" to write a bible which thousands of people follow.

The case that I am talking about is Joseph Smith, Jr. and the religion is The Church of the Latter Day Saints, more commonly known as Mormons.

A guy claims that an angel has given him the means to find a magic set of golden tablets, just a reminder that Mormons do believe in Christianity which is the blanket term for a religion that believes that Jesus Christ is the savior sent to save the world. First flaw in this is that Joseph Smith has never been outside of the United States of America, and an angel just happens to give him, an American living in New York, the means to find some buried magical golden plates. These plates were buried in the USA where they were undisturbed and somehow contain the true words of God.

Now Smith claimed to be able to read what was written on the plates using the magic glasses that he found with them. This may have been true that there were actually things written on the plates but no one other than Smith were allowed to look at them. So far, for those of you keeping score at home, we have a dude who finds some magic plates and glasses in the middle of New York which he claims have the story of Jesus and the key to people's salvation written on them that only he can see.

Mainly my point is that, any crazy person can claim to have been guided by God and write a book that people will seriously read and take completely as fact. Allah, the Islamic God, guided Muhammad to write the Qur'an, God guided those who wrote the bible to write it, YHWH guided the Jews to write the Toh'rah; and all of these books have many contradictions and shortcomings and none of them say the same things. You would think that for a deity they would at least be able to get their story straight to every one they tell it to.

 

Many religions, tribes, civilisations of that era (and before it) had similar knowledge. Babylonians to mention one off the top of my head.

This could be understood several ways. It's easy to say that it is describing the circulation of the atmosphere (though it doesn't mention East or West winds) due to the fact that science has shown this to be true. This is an example of some observational writings being glorified as scientific theories. Judging from the rest of that chapter, the author was probably just making the point that the wind never ran out, so must circle about. he made the same point with rivers and oceans amongst other things in that chapter. It's simple deductive reasoning, probably derived from the Ancient Greeks' teachings.

Firstly, I think it was unfair of you not to include the 7th verse as it demonstrates that these people aren't so much cavemen, but rather tribes people as it describes them as also living in the bushes.

Secondly, I believe you are quoting from the King James Bible, which is old and contains many translation errors. I have gathered the same 3 verses (Job 30:5-7) from 3 different bibles, including the King James Bible:

Definition. This contains no mention of the movement of water in either the atmosphere nor below the Earth's surface. Your verse on Meteorology was a better match, but still only explained half the science.

The Ancient Greeks believed the earth was spherical, not just round thousands of years ago.

This proves nothing, the elements he was referring to at the time would've been fire, earth and water. He is merely referring to the apocalypse, not a nuclear war. Again this is an example of people applying their current knowledge to ambiguous text.

 

@dino, that man is someone who has tricked many people into thinking the false ways of the Mormon. He is what you would call, the Anti-Christ.

Eventually the people got smart to his idea and he was eventually killed for his evil ways.

 

Yes but people to this day still believe in his religion.