god, do you exists?!

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Okay. I understand now.
The internet does not convey tone, so everything I read earlier sounded like you were just RAGEing at everything to do with religion.
And I understand what you're saying.
I look at it this way:
Since God is the Creator of everything, he is sovereign. Since he put us in this world, he could just as easily take us out and be completely justified in doing so since we were made to worship him.
Also, it is said many times in the Bible how God particularly cared for the children, and that all children would be with him in Heaven should they die before reaching an age of maturity in which they would need to accept Christ.
I personally think that being in Heaven in the presence of God would be a lot better than living in the crap that we live around today, and if a child must be used to change someone's life, even if the child's life is short, he/she will definitely be taken care of when he/she passes, and will be in the best of hands.
That's just how I look at it though.

And sorry, but I suck at baking cakes...
Cookies, I can do
And cheesecake
But cake...not happening...never has...

 

yeah but i don't agree with any suffering and it is not justifyable in any way even if you are a god.
if i am made in gods image and god is cruel like that then i'd rather not be like god in fact i am better then god as i would not hurt anyone to make a point.
i can accept that a higher being may have started it all (not the way the bible descibes as that is not the way it happend)
but i do find it hard to worship anything that forces belief on me by causing suffering.

and many other reasons but i'm not going to go in to them now cause that would be wrong for me to say to you as it is cool for you to believe what you like and not have me shoot all your ideas down.

 

well said equitypetey. what you've said must be taught to those that insist their god is superior to anyone and that only one god exist. forcing people to follow or believe in him or her(god) is no different from a villain or a trial leader who wants more power by having more followers. if there's one and only god, why can't there be "one and only human race?"

 

I'm a person who's open to any belief. Any of them could easily be true, or false. I'm not sure on which one is true, which is false, and things like that. I don't waste my time trying to figure it out, because the fact of the matter is, you won't know for sure if a higher being or something exists or not until you die.

 

no it should not be taught then i would be just as bad a those people we criticise for dictating what to and not to believe. there is even more on the subject i can say but don't want to as i may be offending those that are with us that believe although this is the debate section so i should really but i have said many thing on this tread both good and bad if you look back already.

you may like this, i have posted it before but i don't think anyone looked at it but you may be interested.
this is probably the best idea of god i have ever read.
and would satisfy those who are open to god but not the idea of a caring god.
http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal

 

oh is it? well i think that what you've said must be taught to those people who insist on only one god and force beliefs on others is because they have to know what they did was wrong and offending. but if they don't want to listen then we will just ignore them. not that i'm no different from those people of course. i agree with you.

 

@equitypete:
that article really touches on a lot of things.
even for people that read it, they shouldn't worry about whether the writer ACTUALLY talked to God or not. Whether the article is complete bullshit or not, it shows that people spend more time and fight over whether if He exists or not. It was said in the article that wars over religion is based on how one particular religion views God and that their view is wrong according to the other. I do believe that God will not help us even when we beg him to intervene. These are things that we must do as people. We shouldn't wait around for an almighty being to fix things for us. Instead of relying on God to fix our environmental problems, we should fix those ourselves.

 

i can't say i like this topic nor i hate this topic. but it's always good to hear about this. don't won't get involved too deep though...

well, for me "god" is a word.. how we define it is totally depend on someone.. well thanks, we have dictionary by now.. indeed, it is easier to think about some 'force' around us, which is referred as 'god', when we want to know about our origins or the reasons we live today, the reasons we can think or post in this forum too, etc... when we are facing with something unknown, it will only lead us to believe it or deny it.. some will wait it until the final conclusion has been reached..

as we know, we have a concept of limit in our mind, more or less a boundary. while acknowledging the limit, they search for their creator and of course something which is more able than their selves. 'omni-potent' is what i think is better called. for example, there are 20 men and they need to go to a place in 3 hours. after they realize that they won't be able to go there within the time limit, they will realize that's impossible. knowing their own 'limit', they start to think (pray, give up, getting stressed, etc are excluded for now) and in a way, they found out that horses are faster and they will able to go there by riding them. just the same as us, when we want to know who or what is our creator, we began to search and define it. as we haven't found it physically, we believe it spiritually...

i can't argue whether some people believe in 'god' because of their own reasons or when the other don't believe the 'god' due to no proofs. IMO, unless one can create everything out of nothing without anything, until then i'll stick with "god"

 

Personally, I would think there is a God. I also think there is an absolute truth about God. The only way to find truth, though, would be to go to God and find out.

That said, my experience has taught me that not believing in God isn't bad. Those who believe in a god tend to treat others with some degree of kindness. It is one of the things that any god teaches, is to be kind and generous to others. However, not believing in god isn't a bad thing either, because for all we know, there may experiences in that person's life that have led to a disbelief in deity. This does not make them bad, because there are alot of people who do good things without believing in anything.

I would say this, though, that there is a certain instinct in people to genuinely care and desire for the good of others, regardless of belief. This is not something that evolution can develop. It is in our nature to care for others as we care for ourselves, and that is something that in and of itself proves supreme divinity, however, one cannot prove it by this feeling alone. One requires a more personal experience in order to feel like a god exists. What exactly that experience is depends on the person, though.

 

you just said it your self, I'm not arguing with you here but have a look at the animal kingdom, the groups that have developed comunities and large families also care about each other and care for the wellfare of everyone in the group.
now if you can see it and understand it you come to realise that god did not give animals intelligence or even a soul, that's only for us scum of the earth humans so how do you explain this quality in them.
divine intervention or just the ............. ah this is wasted on you!

 

loony you dippy old fool i was talking from the Bible's point of view meaning that it is obviously wrong on yet another point meaning that part of it is not absolute truth. is it! animals are intelligent and also poses qualities we do and offten allot better as we forget out instincts and are slaves to social context.
bible bashers always quote these things that we as humans only posses which means there must be a god and we are his greatest creation but those are the same idiots who have never read a few books or watched the discovery channel.

 

From the bible's point of view, it is stated to not treat animals as you would treat other humans, does this mean that animals are ultimately inferior to us?


I also think that it is a form of simple laws through good and bad stories.

But the fact that a whole religion is centered around it, I don't quite understand (even if I am part of that religion...) The bible was said to be under the influence of the holy spirit, so of course it includes biases, but Man's biases aren't generally on the spot.

I recall a few of my teachers saying That:Everything good comes from God, everything else comes from Man

So Animals are good, since they are made by God, whilst according to the bible, we shouldn't treat them as equals.

God created man, so we are good... but man can create man through birth, does that necessarily make us bad?

If man created hte Bible, is the Bible bad?

man, now I'm confused....

 

how about this one:

god made man in his image, now take a look around and look at man. do you want to worship that!

 

[not.angry]God did not make the man as it is now. He made the perfect man then the Devil came and made sin. Anyway, people are saying all this sh** about God but then if he exists certainly Satan exists and people aren't complaining about that. But, alas, I believe that Christianity should not be forced because then the whole "faith" complaint, it is invalid. [/not.angry]

 

satan is no way near as bad as god satan just tempts a few people here and there and fucks around with people. god on the other hand takes live and kills masses.

oh and even if satan did make us bad god made us with the potential to be bad, do you not see he created a monster. the perfection was the universe all the planets and animals. they work perfectly and there is an order. man on the other hand well i don't even need to say it!

 

God did not create man,,, Man created God

 

i know that but i talk to believers as if i were one to make it understandable and not like an attack

every one should know this

its a plain to see a the day light.

 

There are so many replies to this thread that I assume all of the 'Way of the Master' fallacies have been addressed.
If not, my youtube does so efficiently:

Youtube.com/user/AzureFlameElk

(Come to think of it, I'll just add that to my signature).

I would reply with a long explanation, but I fear redundancy as I don't have time to read all 9 pages of replies.