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Can GOD be killed?

Discussion in 'Debates' started by XD9999, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. damanali

    damanali Well-Known Member

    To kill a god, you have to ignore him/her. Faith is the only way to prove there is a god.
    In history, there are different gods, like those primitive guys, they worship anything from the dirt below to the burning sun above.

    When then got bored of worshiping so many gods, they made it easier to worship a few gods but compiled their powers into those few gods. For example are the elements, once they worship the river, rain, and anything liquid, then they compiled it to form the greek god, poseidon or roman neptune.

    but then they got tired of worshiping gods like zeus, poseidon, hades...etc... and just made one god.

    So if you get tired of worshiping or believing in that god, ignore it then, its a dead god. it did exist once, and now its gone.

    gone = dead , right? well, thats my view, your all welcome to correct it. and i appreciate it
     
  2. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    The Greeks/Romans didn't got tired/bored of their Polytheistic Religion. Rome changed faith into Christianity as it was beginning to be the most followed religion at one time, during the period leading to & after the great fire that destroyed the Roman Empire when Nero was emperor.
     
  3. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Christianity originated from Jews

    And no this is not meant to be offensive; this is true
     
  4. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    That's the most Epic Fail the first followers of Christianity ever made. Jesus Christ didn't intentionally want to create his own religion. Yes he has some radical ideals that challenged the Judean religion like loving God as opposed to the Judean concept of fearing the wrath of God, but he didn't intend to start his own religion, he just wanted to present a new "reading" to the Judean concepts that are still present to this day.

    The ones to blame are the early followers for creating an extremely prejudistic religion that killed off alot of ancient civilizations :p
     
  5. apophos755

    apophos755 Well-Known Member

    More people have been killed in the name of god than any other reason.
     
  6. BloodVayne

    BloodVayne Well-Known Member

    Using the same blanket statement, more people have lived because of God than any other reason. I see your point, but it isn't valid logic.

    cjdogger is right. Judaism -> Christianity -> Islam descend from one "father", Abraham. It would theoretically be complete BS if they hate each oth... oh wait...
     
  7. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    And since that forms a root system if we find flaws in the first we find flaws in them all
     
  8. apophos755

    apophos755 Well-Known Member

    Logic was not my intent. It's a glaring fact that can be proven.

    What I'm about to ask is just a question that is not intended to start a flame war or anything like that. But how can you prove that more people have lived because of god than any other reason? My statement of more people being killed in the name of god can be proven. The Muslim concept of Jihad, or Holy War was set down in the 7th Century. Saint Augustine is credited as being the first to detail a "Just War" theory within Christianity, whereby war is justifiable on religious grounds. Saint Thomas Aquinas elaborated on these criteria and his writings were used by the Roman Catholic Church to regulate the actions of European countries.

    In modern times religious designations are sometimes used as shorthand for cultural and historical differences between combatants, giving the impression that the conflict is primarily about religious differences. For example, The Troubles in Northern Ireland are frequently seen as a conflict between Catholics and Protestants. However, the more fundamental cause is the attachment of Northern Ireland to either the Republic of Ireland or the United Kingdom. As the native Irish were mostly Catholic, and the later English-sponsored immigrants mainly Protestant, the terms become shorthand for the two cultures. It cannot be denied that religion does play a part in the conflict, since churches are used as organizing points for demonstrations, and Protestants are far more likely to oppose union with the Catholic-dominated Republic, however, religious differences were not the overriding cause of the conflict.

    The Crusades were a series of military campaigns—usually sanctioned by the Papacy—that took place during the 11th through 13th centuries in response to the Muslim Conquests. Originally, the goal was to recapture Jerusalem and the Holy Land from the Muslims, and support the besieged Christian Byzantine Empire against the Muslim Seljuq expansion into Asia Minor and Europe proper. Later, Crusades were launched against other targets, either for religious reasons, such as the Albigensian Crusade, the Northern Crusades, or because of political conflict, such as the Aragonese Crusade. In 1095, at the Council of Clermont, Pope Urban II raised the level of war from bellum iustum ("just war"), to bellum sacrum.

    In 16th Century France there was a succession of wars between Roman Catholics and Protestants (Hugenots primarily). These series of wars were known as the Wars of Religion.

    During the first part of the Showa era, imperial propaganda, turning to the Empire of Japan's spiritual capital and to maintain fighting spirit, called the Second Sino-Japanese War a holy war (Seisen). This propaganda was based on hakko ichiu, the traditional belief that imperial rule had been divinely ordained to expand until it united the "eight corners of the world".

    In Sikhism, a Holy War is only eligible when all means of peace have been tried and failed. The early Sikhs of the 15-1600's fought off many Mughal Islamic Invaders, as well as Hindu Rajputs. Sikhs are only allowed to fight for the well being of righteousness, even stated by their 10th guru, Guru Gobind Singh. ""When all other means have failed, It is but lawful to take to the sword."

    My post is already quite long, so I'll end there. But I could go on.
     
  9. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Like tha Nazi's in WWII! They killed people for being a different religion of their own
    This also relates to terrorism like the IRA and the extremist group based on the muslim religion but I can't remember the name o_O
     
  10. damanali

    damanali Well-Known Member

    What is the religion of the Nazi Germany? they hate the jews, but they cant be Christians because they kill jews which is against christian doctrines, right?

    And i still dont know why they hate the jews, cant they just do this tenet, Leave us alone, and we leave you alone?
     
  11. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Hitler's mother was raped by a Jew, so he hated them. After the Treaty of Versailles, Germany was hit worst in the great depression, and after Hitler's rise to power, the Jews were the easiest scapegoat for all Germany's problems. Hitler was an absolute genius at dealing with people, there is no other way he could have duped an entire nation.
     
  12. damanali

    damanali Well-Known Member

    so the jews we not affected by the great depression? well, its stupid to use genocide as a scapegoat. i would rather deport those jews rather than kill them, or better yet, why didnt germany used the jews like the Egyptians did in biblical times? they created pyramids and stuff. and the germans could have used the jews in the war effort as producers of supplies and war materials
     
  13. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    the Jews were affected. The people of Germany needed a leader and a scapegoat, Hitler gave them both. The Jews became the scapegoat purely because Hitler already hated them. Jews were used as labour initially, the final solution (the gassing of the Jews) came later.
     
  14. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    He also hated the Jews as they were like gypsies so they sorta caused problems because of that as well.
    But to think an aspiring artist ended up as the world's most synester dictator
     
  15. gaynorvader

    gaynorvader Well-Known Member

    Not true, Christianity became widespread because the Roman empire adopted it and forced all of the tribes/races to accept it as their new religion.
     
  16. anandjones

    anandjones Well-Known Member

    We create "gods" in our own thoughts/images to leave behind thoughts of being lost in the infinite space we occupy so we have a "origin" idea/story to believe (creationist etc.).
     
  17. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    Rome didn't adopt Christianity that easily, or have you forgotten the throngs of Christians that were tortured or fed to the lions for the masses' entertainment during the time of Nero. Also, according to one of National Geographic's specials about three years ago (when all that "Da Vinci Codes" & "The Gospel of Judas" stuff was stirring people's beliefs), there were actually two other "Prophets" or "Messaiahs" that were running around preaching stuff to the masses at that time. I forgot their names, but one of them was actually favored more by the Roman court. However, after the events that led to the burning down of Rome Christianity mysteriously became the dominant Religion at that time.
     
  18. XD9999

    XD9999 Well-Known Member

    Mysteriously? I thought it was because the leader of ROME back then was doing a christian chick, and because he loved the chick so much, he declared christianity become the official religion.
     
  19. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Almost all the Ancient Greek and Roman cities got burned down mysteriously... Some actually believe it was aliens o_O
    If I didn't take History and Classic lessons and would say possibley lol
    And that would be a good story but sadly women were treated as lesser people
     
  20. Voldnesis

    Voldnesis Member

    This is true and they are from the roots of Jewish Christianity who originally call Jesus by Yahshua, his hebrew name and Yahweh as God, they believe Yahshua (Jesus) was crucified at Calvary.