ok, i was reading this on yahoo news group and i wanted romulation's community on this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/ap_on_hi_te/us_eyes_in_the_sky#mwpphu-container ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ here is the story: By FRANK ELTMAN, Associated Press Writer Frank Eltman, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 35 mins ago RIVERHEAD, N.Y. – On New York's Long Island, it's used to prevent drownings. In Greece, it's a tool to help solve a financial crisis. Municipalities update property assessment rolls and other government data with it. Some in law enforcement use it to supplement reconnaissance of crime suspects. High-tech eyes in the sky — from satellite imagery to sophisticated aerial photography that maps entire communities — are being employed in creative new ways by government officials, a trend that civil libertarians and others fear are eroding privacy rights. "As technology advances, we have to revisit questions about what is and what is not private information," said Gregory Nojeim, senior counsel at the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Democracy and Technology. Online services like Google and Bing give users very detailed images of practically any location on the planet. Though some images are months old, they make it possible for someone sitting in a living room in Brooklyn to look in on folks in Dublin or Prague, or even down the street in Flatbush. Sean Walter, an attorney and first-term town supervisor in Riverhead, N.Y., insists he is a staunch defender of privacy rights and the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable search and seizure. But Walter supported using Google Earth images to help identify about 250 Riverhead homes where residents failed to get building permits certifying their swimming pools complied with safety regulations. All but about 10 eventually came to town hall. Walter said the focus was safety, not filling town coffers with permit money, which averaged about $150 depending on the size of the pool. A 4-foot fence is required, gates have to be self-closing and padlocked. All pools must have an alarm that sounds when sensors are activated indicating someone is in the pool. "We have a town employee who is a personal friend of mine whose son was found face-down in a swimming pool," Walter said. "He's OK, but I don't want to be the supervisor that attends the funeral of a child that drowns in a swimming pool." Lillie Coney, associate director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, D.C., fears that while Walter's focus was safety, other municipalities may use the images to check for other transgressions. "It's only a matter of time," Coney said. "There are lots of ordinances where this can be used. In California, where they deal with brush fires, could a satellite image show if a homeowner has brush growing too close to his home? What if someone has junk cars on their lot in violation of ordinances?" Riverhead resident Tony Villar said the town's action "could be considered Big Brother looking down at you." "But at the same time, if the government can listen to your telephone conversations in the name of terrorism," he said. Standing outside the Riverhead Public Library, Walter Casey of Flanders agreed. "I think it's a great intrusion on people's privacy; they should use it on the politicians' backyards." The New York Civil Liberties Union's Donna Lieberman said there are ways to enforce requirements "without this sort of engaging in Big Brother on high. Technically, it may be lawful, but in the gut it does not feel like a free society kind of operation." In Greece, officials are struggling with a debt crisis and have sought to catch tax-evaders by using satellite photos to spot undeclared swimming pools — indicators of taxable wealth. Google spokeswoman Kate Hurowitz said in a statement that Google Earth acquires its information from a broad range of commercial and public sources. "The same information is available to anyone who buys it from these widely available public sources," she said. "Google's freely available technology has been used for a variety of purposes, ranging from travel planning to scientific research to emergency response, rescue and relief in natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrina and the Haiti earthquake." At least nine lawsuits seeking class-action status have been filed in the United States, contending that Google collected fragments of e-mails, Web-surfing data and other information from unencrypted wireless networks as it photographed neighborhoods for its "Street View" feature. Google is also facing investigations or inquiries in 38 states as well as in several countries, including Germany, Spain and Australia. The Mountain View, Calif., company said in May it had inadvertently collected the data from public Wi-Fi networks in more than 30 countries, but maintains it never used the data and hasn't broken any laws. Google Earth posts updates about every two weeks on selected images from its providers, with images ranging from a few weeks to a few years old. For big cities like Chicago, tracking illegal pools, porches and decks through Google Earth requires frequent imaging updates, so the Chicago buildings department uses it as a reference tool on a case-by-case scenario, said spokesman Bill McCaffrey. "We're not opposed to adopting new technology, but until it advances where we can get photos of more recent updates, we don't have any plans to implement it," he said. Smaller towns such as Champaign and Naperville, Ill. opted to use satellite images as reference only. "Mostly it's so we can see that we're going to the right building when we go to do inspections," said Ann Michalsen, lead inspector for code enforcement in Naperville. It's also important for police officers to know they have the right destination when executing search warrants, said Joe Pollini, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "Most departments would use it as a preliminary step, but they would also use active surveillance with their own aircraft," he said. The nonprofit group Consumer Watchdog is seeking to determine the extent of the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration's use of Google Earth in its investigations, spokesman John M. Simpson said last week. Federal contracting records reviewed by Consumer Watchdog show that the FBI has spent more than $600,000 on Google Earth since 2007. The Drug Enforcement Administration, meanwhile, has spent more than $67,000. Simpson has called on Congress to investigate how U.S. law enforcement and intelligence communities are using Google technologies. The group says it has concerns that data could be used for racial profiling. The New York Police Department's Real Time Crime Center uses satellite imaging and computerized mapping systems to identify geographic patterns of crimes and to pinpoint possible addresses where suspects might flee — information relayed to investigators on the street. The NYPD also has two major security initiatives where a network of public and private cameras will eventually link and be searchable. The NYCLU has filed lawsuits in opposition. "We live in an environment where we are told that if it's on camera, if you have a video record, that will make us safer," Lieberman said. "That may be appealing, but it is an unproven assertion. There's no evidence of that. Yet we see millions, if not billions, of post-9/11 money has gone to law enforcement for installing cameras in every conceivable nook and cranny." ___ Associated Press writers Serena Dai in Chicago and Colleen Long in New York and researcher Barbara Sambriski in New York contributed to this report. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ so, i wanted to know what your serious opinion is on this ^__^ and people wonder why im the paranoid one in the family
I've actually seen a Youtube video that was about something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXG4IwFh18Q And here's somewhat of a parody of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kswJuKfYtI&feature=related
@Cahos Rahne Veloza: nice, like i said im paranoid about this, and most of family doesn't want anything to do with me because they think im a pothead
I think you worry too much, if anything I want more cameras. Fuck privacy-why you could get raped in a public toilet, and due to lack of cameras, you won't know what's going on...well maybe just a panic button in each cubicle... But still if I get stabbed, I want people to know how I went down, and who done it, not die in total silence!
well, i could understand that but im saying if they have no rightful cause to spy on you they don't need to do it. now i could see them spying on people that are out of jail on probation and they don't trust them to be faithful about it, that kind of stuff but honestly im happy in the middle of nowhere were my closest neighbor is like a mile and half from me. also hypnos, that would mean they would be able to monitor all the stuff we do in our private times, like text messaging, emails, phone calls, letters, personal use of the internet, what you buy & sell, etc. so that would mean if you slipped up and said something threatening about someone, they would have rightful cause to come and pick you up from where ever your at right now, is how your saying it, correct?
From what I've read from your post, it's simply to pin point the people evading taxes or safety hazards. Which isn't a bad thing. It's just satellite images and it by default is available to everyone who has a PC. Even the video that Cahos pointed out, that's just surveillance footage that's available to the people who know the right people, random people are able to view it, because of that program, now it just means more random people are going to see it. To suggest that this is going into a 'Big Brother' era is ridiculous, this is so minimal compared to someone literally seeing where your friend is going through a computer, or tracing phone calls, tapping phone, hearing text message information etc. Even the Augmented Earth thing is minimal, it only shows places with security cameras, and not everywhere has them. The only way the Big Brother era thing would happen if the governments became tyrannical dictatorships.
Like they aren't already monitored already. On forums, everything you say is public, if you make a personal message, it can be reported and action be taken, if your using instant message what guarantee it's private? I've had my chats to so called friends shared publically for the purpose to humiliate me! Also have you forgotten about hackers-I run the risk thanks to a built in web cam on my laptop, I simply don't keep any info stored that might be valuble save a few roms : The internet is not private despite what people think, and in public some way to watch over people might be useful, most places I go to have cameras. Those that don't I keep a pocket knife, it's not safe around these parts.
Government surveillance is least of your worries Devilkid32176 , what's scarier is a scenario where some psycho perverted stalker uses these cameras to literally document your every move for their sick pleasure. So in a way, it's a no win, or win win situation. As hYpNoS stated, it's a good thing provided it will be used for identifying criminals & such, but it's also bad when used inappropriately.
like i said also the government has did for a while now and yet the past few years it seems it has become worse, like the farther in with technology we get, the better they get in spying on us, i mean yeah its a good thing but at the same time like you said cahos it could be used to really stab us in the back and i have to say if it keeps up i would have to say this country won't be the land of the free anymore, though hardly anythings free now >__> just like the second article that dealt with this, the government has changed the miranda rights now so it better suites the cops and not the people they arrest
if anyone has to worry about CCTV it's the british. We have far more cctv cameras than any other country in the world. And a government that isn't afraid to use them for legally and morally dubious purposes.
yeah that's the first thing i want in a toilet, a camera and a panic button... you mean england... scotland isn't that bad actually.
Is candid camera still on the air? If so, with more cameras in place, it can happen more! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
