a third party fails on nintendo, nintendo and it's customers gets blamed. why?

Dead Space Extraction was awesome, best on-rail shooter I've every played, I'm sure more can agree with me. Also it's not because no one wants an on-rails shooter, it's because the demographic for Dead Space on the Wii isn't prominent. That and there wasn't marketing outside of the internet.

 

I'd rather say the "demographic" for on-rail shooters isn't prominent in the entire gaming community, as a whole, so it's not a matter of whether the game is good or not. The design of the moment in gaming is "freedom", and rail shooters strip players of that almost entirely, thus their unpopularity in the last decades. To put it simply, "it's not what the kids want".

 

You would know this how exactly (besides your personal opinion)? Most of the owners of Wiis are parents, or most of them buy them as a family. The M rating doesn't sit nice with that does it?

You still haven't replied to this. Don't ignore what's been presented.

 

True, but this also does not invalidate my point. Time Crisis 4 was a rail shooter for the PS3, and it failed. Miserably.

First and foremost, I find this comparison unfair. Seconldy, No More Heroes sold well enough to earn a sequel, and it seems Madworld might be getting one too. They didn't sell badly, like Darkside Chronicles. They just didn't sell AS WELL as those FIRST PARTY FAMILY-ORIENTED, MAINSTREAM games. As for Manhunt 2, that game was panned so much by the media it took out any chances it had on just about any console it was released. It just hurted more on the Wii.

 

Madworld and No More Heroes. Sold, but not well, even by now, and they've been out for a while now.

Darkside Chronicles sold better than both of these games within a couple months of release.

I'm sure the price point of the game had something to do with it, along with the rarity of the game. Even then, it sold better than both No More Heroes and Madworld. According to you, the sales for both these games are abysmal.

 

Good games yes, but they did sell badly...


No more hero's in australia only sold in limited amounts, and some stores STILL have new copies to sell (but no pre-owned-is that a good thing? ) where's mad world dropped it's price only a few months later...


From $99 to $79 (when I got mine) to $29 (DAMN)...it may decline further...


How sad-the best don't sell, especially on the wii

 

Same case here with madworld, it's 14 dollars right now.

 

@Natewlie

Are those numbers accurate? They don't seem to be, IMO. @ No More Heroes' entry in Wikipedia: "By February 15, 2008, No More Heroes had sold 40,000 copies in Japan. The game saw shipments of 200,000 units in North America with about 100,000 of those units sold". There's even a dude's comment on the NMH page: "Have they stopped tracking this? it seems it's been standing on 470K for a while now", and indeed, I'm pretty sure it's standing somewhere over that mark. Same goes for MadWorld's, I think it's pretty off mark.

 

Yes, Natewlie's statistics are correct. VGChartz does stay on top of the sales tracking records, regardless of people's doubts. Those people simply need to know how to use the site's chart function a lot better.

Here's the complete stat page (copy and paste into your browser):

Code:

http://www.vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=No+More+Heroes+-+Wii[7667]&reg2=All&game2=&reg3=All&game3=&weeks=109

Game was released on December 6th, 2007 (starting in Japan), which makes it (as of now) two years and four-and-a-half weeks old. Do the math, and you get 109 weeks (including the current week).

EDIT:
Another chart with sales from each region option:

Code:

http://www.vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=No+More+Heroes+-+Wii[7667]&reg2=America&game2=No+More+Heroes+-+Wii[7667]&reg3=Others&game3=No+More+Heroes+-+Wii[7667]&weeks=101

 

I think the only reason why they made a sequel was because people all over acknoledged how good a game it was-now people know it they might make more sales.


I thought I read somewhere that on launch day, it was so slow, they got of of the camera crew to get a copy signed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_More_Heroes_%28video_game%29#Sales


It's here, read it.


WHat a shame..oh well, I'd be buying this game on launch day ;D

 

it brings to the point again that there were games on the ps2 made by third parties that had a similar sales performance, yet there were no complaints by third parties on sony and the ps2 gamers. how come?

just as someone had mentioned time crisis, which had plenty of releases on the ps2 as well as other rail shooters and it failed. yet no one complained to sony nor the ps2 consumers for failing to buy the game. but this generation, these third party developers are making these games and a similar situation in sales are occurring as last generation, but the difference is that nintendo and the wii customers are being pointed at. why is there this inequality?

even worse, there were plenty of rail shooters last generation on the ps2 as well as time crisis being on the ps3, which aren't making good sales. yet third parties thrive to continue in making these rail shooter games. if the gamers on the ps2 and hardcore gamers on the ps3 aren't buying time crisis and other similar rail shooters, what makes third party developers think the retard gamers would buy the game? how does the problem falls on the hands of nintendo and the wii audience if it's the third party themselves that screwed up?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/only-bad-wii-games-sell-badly-bloober

 

Capcom said they were disappointed by the sales of Darkside Chronicles, why exactly? Well not because it was a rail shooter, it's because it was an existing, popular franchise that failed to sell on the system that sold the most hardware. That's why it's disappointing. It's a good game, just not a lot of people bought it. Capcom/Sega never blamed anyone, they simply said they were disappointed. And we already answered the question that you asked about why the Wii and some of it's consumers are being blamed versus the PS2. Because the amount of shovelware is more than the amount of good games on the system. It's the king of shovelware. Along with the fact that Nintendo used to actually prevent these games coming out with the Nintendo seal. (I had to repeat this for you)

I've been trying to find rail shooters on the PS2 and I've failed to find any besides Time Crisis 2 Rez, Resident Evil: Dead Aim and Ninja Assault. There's no proof that these games sold well or badly, as I can't find the sales charts for them. But Time Crisis 4, a more expensive game than both Madworld and No More Heroes, as well as a extremely slow launch for the PS3, sold more than both Madworld and NMH, what does that tell you exactly?

Also, probably because a lot of gamers who have an Xbox or Ps3 turned their backs on the Wii. I know I'm not the only one who turned my back on it, even with buying these games.

Also the link you gave out tells us nothing but an opinion from a dev. Seriously, rail shooters are still fun, if you've actually played Dead Space Extraction, you'd realize how good rail shooters can be. It has superb shooting, a large variety of weapons, a fun dismemberment mechanic, great graphics for the Wii, an atmosphere that's almost unmatched besides Dead Space, a great story, a couple of surprising moments and it's fun. Best rail shooter I've played.

No More Heroes 2 will not sell well if indicated by NMH1 sales. The audience for that game is simply not there. There's a reason why NMH is being remade on the Xbox 360 and PS3.

 

Well, I actually baught Resident evil darkside chronicles and it's awesome and fun, but of course this was before I soft modded my wii and I showed this to my brother and he said he didn't like the fact that it was a rail shooter and he wasn't to interested because it was on the wii.
However thoe he missed out on a great game.

I haven't turned my back on the wii, but I don't seem to be as happy about nintendo as I once did in the past.

I agree, nmh2 will probably flop, but thats a game I will go out and support on day one.

 

a developer, either from first party or third party is like an entertainer. if the entertainer fails to amuse the people, would that be the fault of the audience or the entertainer? perhaps the location of the facility, so it's the facilities fault. this is what marcin kawa meant,

"Our logic is far simpler: if the game doesn't sell, we did something wrong."

they are an entertainer. they go to a facility and entertain the audience. the audience will either be entertained from their performances or fail. if the audience are amused, then they'll be rewarded. if the audience aren't amused then the entertainer failed and will not be rewarded. if they fail to entertain, it would not be the fault of the audience or the facility, but the entertainer.

so basically when a third party fail, it isn't the customers fault or nintendo's, it's the third party. so why are third party pointing fingers at nintendo and it's audience when they weren't doing it to the ps2 audience and to sony?

it'll be hard to find rail shooters on the ps2 because for one thing, they are mushed with shooters, which also includes fps, platform shooters, gallery shooters, etc.... but they are there and i can tell you that they weren't doing good. [ http://www.gamespot.com/games.htmltype=games&category=Other+Shooters&platform=7&mode=all&sort=views&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc&official=all&page=0 ]
look at light gun and rail shooters. there are quite a few there and you can bet that they weren't doing crazy sales on them. it goes again to show that sales of these type of games make small sales. yet third party are making it for the wii. it fails on the wii and third party are lashing out at nintendo and the audience. why would third party do such a thing if ps2 sales shows that sales would be poor. you can bet that most of the ps2 rail shooters were doing just like what the wii rail shooters are doing. but the difference is, there were much more rail shooters on the ps2 then on the wii and for some odd reason, sony and ps2 owners aren't being blamed for it. but the wii is for some reason.

 

well IIRC back then Wii gamer (people who want a real game) keep asking for real game, when the a 3rd party release a real game, nobody care, hance the poor sales.

this could be mean that people dont really care for wii anymore and jump to 360 or ps3 (good for them).

like recently dead space extraction, there is basically nobody care about it even the fanbase of dead space......

hell even my friend that keep peaching how good is wii have given up and grab a 360 instead....

also unlike Wii, PS2 actually have tons of good game, that make the backbone for the PS2 userbase, so even PS2 have crappy game from time to time, there is nothing to complain.

 

dead space extraction is a rail shooter. under your condition it's considered a real game. if that was the case then why not release more rail shooters on the 360/ps3 as that is what the hardcore want [immersion, narrative, etc...]? third parties don't populate the ps3/360 with these games because hardcore wouldn't buy that stuff because these games are bad. so if hardcore gamers don't want it, then why would casuals want it?

rail shooters are not considered real games. rail shooters are great as a mock up or spin off title until the developers are able to make a real game. this explains why umbrella chronicles 1 did better because it was a spin off title until capcom released a resident evil 4 like game for the wii. but two years come by and wii gamers get another spin off title. do you think wii gamers are that stupid to realize that? prior to the release of umbrella chronicles 2, capcom mentioned they were working on a resident evil wii game [sometime in 2008]. many people were expecting a new resident evil 4 like game. when another rail shooter was mentioned, everyone was disappointed. two years to make another rail shooter spin off title? the biggest joke.

your friend has given up on the wii because third party don't like the wii. it isn't because of nintendo and the wii audience, it's because they have to work harder to make games on the wii. remember the nes days, those were hard days of making games. but today ... a company can screw up and just blame the company and the people if you are working on a nintendo console regardless how it was the third parties fault.

it doesn't matter if the wii have more shovelware then the ps2. the point is that rail shooters failed on the ps2 and yet third parties on the wii keeps pushing for it. there is evidence from the previous generation from a non nintendo console that they don't sell well yet they keep suggesting it. third parties have the previous generation so why do they consider it's going to be any different on the wii? this means there is no excuse for third party developers yet they blame nintendo and the wii audience. no matter what the third party argues about, they have the previous generation as proof and they can't deny it. but they do. i don't know why and people believe them.

when wii gamers ask for a real game, they ask for a game where you offer the same opportunity as the ps3/360 gamers. but third parties don't do this. remember, dead space extraction was made under the condition as a first person guided game, a rail shooter. their reason was that wii gamers are retarded dumb gamers who have no idea on how to control the characters movement because for some reason wii gamers are just too damn retarded. i don't know why third party developers would assume such a position. resident evil 4 wii did well and wii gamers bought the game. so how can wii gamers be considered stupid retards if they bought a game where you have full control of the character?

http://kotaku.com/5447395/ubisoft-eyes-ps3-360-in-2010-after-losing-big-on-ds-casual-games
when ubisoft did well, they say it's due to the ps3/360 games are selling. but when they do poorly they say it's because they spent time and effort on the nintendo console. it's the same situation with ea. ea didn't do well with their development of dead space and mirrors edge. what you didn't see were similar headlines, poor sales due to hardcore gamers. instead you get something like, poor economy hurts hardcore gamers. this goes again to the point, why point fingers at the casuals and not the hardcore?

oh i forgot to mention, bionic commando. it flopped and capcom did not lashed out at the hardcore gamers nor sony and microsoft for lack of marketing this and that. why?

 

becasue if a casual doesnt want it, they wont buy Wii.

i do think rail shooter as a real game consider i'm growing up in an arcade. Virtual Cops, Time Crisis and House of the Dead is the example of good rail shooter, which i still play....

also dont forget totallty that Nintendo have been marketing Wii as a casual console rather then THE console for real gaming.

so dont there is nobody to blame other then nintendo if Wii dont get real game.

the next real game is Monster Hunter 3, we will see how it will do.... FYI the fanbase already bashing the game.

 

Actually no more heroes 2 is the next game and it's coming out next week! and rather then downloading it... I'm actually gonna go out and*gasp* buy it! because one this game really needs more loving, and two good games like these really need support.

next on my list to buy games is also tatsunoko vs capcom, even thoe I already have the ISO, i'm still gonna buy it once I get more money later down the month since I'm tight on cash XD and finally Monster hunter tri and red steel 2 are on my list as well, but I'm actually download Redtseel 2, I didn't like the first one at all, but if it gets decent reviews and then maybe I'll buy it.