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Why your dear pets should be off the dinner table?

Discussion in 'Debates' started by sla03rs, Sep 12, 2008.

  1. sla03rs

    sla03rs Well-Known Member

    Your thoughts on dogs and cats being used as meat by other cultures, do you agree with it or not?

    Your thoughts and reasons why?
     
  2. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    I disagree, well I don't care about cats, eat them if you want but not dogs.
    Dogs are very intelligent and loyal, cows are stupid and dopey...
    Dogs are man's best friend not his best dinner!
     
  3. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    On the contrary, cj, cats are rather more intelligent than dogs.

    Also, eat doesn't really matter if the "meat" provider is "intelligent" or not, based on human perspective. Why you ask?

    There are some cultures in Asia that have monkeys as part of their "special" diets, and as being in the same family as us, & also having greater intelligence as us, why then are they eating monkeys.

    Also, in cannibalistic societies, why then do they eat "man meat" if it's purely based on the intelligent eating the dumb.

    Intelligence should have nothing to do with meat sources.
     
  4. sla03rs

    sla03rs Well-Known Member

    But if there are more dogs than cows and they are more easily accessible, people would rather have dog :p
     
  5. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Well if it doesn't matter about intelligence then you must be condoning cannablism...
    I've already said where many people can "shove" their cultures, it's as bad as religion!
     
  6. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    No bigotry & a closed mind is what's worse.
     
  7. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Cruel slaughter or a closed mind, Ooh! That's a really hard decision on which is worse!
     
  8. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    Cruel slaughter by definition means you kill something with no regard for that thing's life. As what a murderer would do to his victims.

    As a tidbit, did you know that the Muslim people have something called Hal'al?

    Hal'al, is a religious rite that is done before an animal for acquiring meat is killed. They hold a sort of prayer ceremony honoring the Animal for its life to feed their people. After Hal'al will they only kill the animal. So if you buy canned goods & read the labels, if you see "This food product passes Hal'al standards", that's what it means.
     
  9. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    a closed mind is worse. You are saying religion and culture are bad, yet you are displaying some of the very traits that make them bad; an inability to accept differing opinions. dogs are vermin in some countries, same as cats are in others. I don't agree with eating either; but I'm not going to tell people what they are doing is bad. The only animals I object to people eating are tigers and lions, and thats because they're severely endangered.
     
  10. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    On that note, there is a local fish here that's very popular to the Chinese called "Mameng". It was very sought after that now they face extinction. And because of this, they are now, by law not allowed to be caught, sold & eaten.
     
  11. 1Blacks1

    1Blacks1 Well-Known Member

    CJ i have a question.

    Why you Hating on Religion so much ?

    Its like you have something agenced religion like you hate it for some reason
     
  12. elk1007

    elk1007 Well-Known Member

    Animals eat other animals.

    The reason we don't eat those kinds of animals in the US is because they're seen as 'cute'. They're widely domesticated and seen as a sub-citizen to humans.
    If, for example, chickens accounted for the majority of pets in the US, chicken eating would be seen as a horrible thing.

    Other cultures have different customs when it comes to the variety of animals they consume.
    I personally have no problem with other people eating w/e animals they want, so long as the animals are killed and treated in a humane manner.
    The way cows are mass produced for food in the US is WAY WAY WAY more disgusting to me than anybody eating a dog or cat. Their treated like products and not living organisms (not to mention the environmental impact, causing more pollution than cars do).

    I would not eat a dog or cat because I was raised in an environment where they are domesticated and seen as friends. It's the type of conditioning that I could undo if necessary, but feel no need to since there's really no market for dog/cat meat in the US.

    How come anyone has a negative opinion about religion you probe them?
    Religion is not well liked by many people for perfectly valid reasons.
     
  13. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    It's alright to have negative opinions about things, culture, religion, scientific theorems, your weekly allowance or even your Calculus homework, what's not good is if you use it as a tool to prod your way in or out of an argument.
     
  14. elk1007

    elk1007 Well-Known Member

    If an argument is made from religion (EX: God thinks such and such is true therefore it is) it is perfectly fine to ignore the argument because it is NOT SOUND.

    An argument can be logically valid while still being unsound.

    Example:

    God is always right.
    God says eggs are good.
    Therefore, eggs are good.

    That is logically valid, but because God cannot be proven to actually exist or that he's always right, then the argument is not sound.
    For an argument to actually BE a valid argument, the logic must be valid and the premises and conclusion must be true.

    So when someone says "X because of God" anyone can simply disregard the statement because it doesn't actual make an argument in any valued or pointed way.

    Now, on the other hand, if someone says "I believe in god. Eggs are white. White is a bright color. Therefore, eggs are a bright color." Then that's perfectly valid and sound because the unprovable religious aspect has nothing to do with the argument. The logic is valid, both premises are true, and the conclusion is true, therefore it's a sound argument.

    Religion has no place in an argument.
     
  15. anandjones

    anandjones Well-Known Member

    But dogs are more needy, cats do whatever the hell they want. I think it's alright, other cultures can do whatever they want, but I certainly don't eat either or anything similar to those. Loonylion, protector of Tigers and Lions :p
     
  16. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Cats eat your food, then get lost until their next meal, there's no compassion in that :p
    I have no idea on what you just said, try to speak in a better grammer... :p

    And I believe of dogs as equals to humans, one of my family members is a dog, therefore I feel of dogs as friends and family...
     
  17. anandjones

    anandjones Well-Known Member

    But basically those people think of dogs, cats as vermin, or something that isn't valued, so they just eat them or just kill them endlessly. Although pets can be your friend (if you're a loner). Usually if a cat is hungry, it hunts it's own food, like mice and rats.
     
  18. Almo

    Almo Well-Known Member

    I dont belive that anything these days should be wasted. I dont think that going next door and killing someones dog to eat is OK, I also dont think breeding dogs or other animals inside cages for meat is OK. But lets say you breed dogs, just like many other people who breed dogs or cats or pigs or chickens or any other animal, for the purpose of meat... whats so wrong with that? Also certain cultures belive that eating your passed relatives will give you the strength and wisdom that they had.... whats wrong with that?

    In a world of poverty, closing depression, rising oil prices and rising food prices, does it not seem stupid that we bury so much meat? sure our religions, our morals and everything we have been taught is to respect the dead,ect. But shit if worst comes to worst ive got no problem eating a human, so long as it isnt against their will.
     
  19. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    I'm against unnecessary pain to all living creatures, they shouldn't kill them endlessly and people should kill bigger animals, more meat one death, dogs aren't big, cows are, pigs are, even elephants could be used as food, less death in the first place!

    If you can live with a creature and watch them grow, how can you just take their life? And killing something that means something to any living creature is wrong...
     
  20. anandjones

    anandjones Well-Known Member

    Well, if you grew up like that (parents killing pets etc.), you wouldn't really get emotions for that particular thing, so it wouldn't matter to you at all.