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what do you think of Vista and Directx 10?

Discussion in 'Computers & Modding' started by sir spamalot, Nov 27, 2007.

  1. sir spamalot

    sir spamalot Well-Known Member

    it's comming to the end of the year, and while i don't have a dx10 graphics card i do have a laptop with windows vista home premium (32bit). so far, though i despise windows vista - i was going to put down reasons why but i thought i'd hear from everyone else first
     
  2. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    I dislike vista too, it uses a ridiculous amount of resources, an operating system should use as little as possible to leave the rest available for user applications. I also believe that appearance should be secondary to functionality/performance, i.e you make something look as nice as possible, without reaching the point where the appearance has a negative effect on the functionality or performance. Vista strays way too far over that boundary. Marketing vista as 'a gamer's OS' just proves that M$ have lost the plot entirely.
     
  3. kanwarrulz_123

    kanwarrulz_123 Well-Known Member

    DX10 can be useful in future because a lot of games are going to use it.Well,about Vista-it reduces the computability and performance as Loonylion said. I heard 2015 will be the year Microsoft is going introduce its Windows 7(not sure about the name).Main function for only draw the users out Windows XP.Sure games will also be drawn into it....Microsoft's plan will never succeed in taking place of Windows XP.
     
  4. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    the next version of windows is supposedly going to be called Vienna. The code name is Blackcomb.
     
  5. Darkkick

    Darkkick New Member

    Having both Vista and Dx10, I can safely say that it isn't really worth it.
    It does eat up large amounts of resources, about 1 GB of my memory, and honestly, I can't say that I see too much of a difference with Dx10 either.
    I couldn't run it in Bioshock, because that game only worked with Windows Xp compatability on. Not to mention all the bugs, and all the games that don't work properly. I can't wait for SP1.
     
  6. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Upgrading before the service pack is released is a bad idea for any Windows OS...
     
  7. equitypetey

    equitypetey Well-Known Member

    vista is stipidly power hungry, combine that whit directx10 and your frames per second go low all the tests done with crysis which is a true next gen game show that there is no benafit, if you run it in directx10 there is not much benafit in the only very tiny grafix improvment to the lag you get when using it and all the tests where done with the new 8800. so your goin to have to run it in dx9. good news tho there is someone developing a patch to run dx10 on xp its in alpha stages but soon there will be a beta version.
    http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6182140/index.html?tag=header;title
    here is the link to gamespots 9 vs 10 test se for your self
     
  8. beundertaker

    beundertaker Active Member

    I am loving vista

    DX 10 isn't so important for me, but the OS is excellent. The interface is clean and fresh. I also love the sidebar gadgets. I have some gadgets that show my HDD space, and how much ram/processer is being used. Those are basically there gadgets, so you don't have to go into your system options to see what is going on with your computer. I recommend you have a decent processer and 2gigs of ram if you want to get vista. If you do upgrade, you should most likely just reformat your hard drive and start fresh (back up the files if necessary)

    Also, my games are running great. I have been enjoying games like bioshock and simcity societies with great Frames per second.

    or, just stay with xp. :p
     
  9. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    I have a decent processor and 2GB of ram, and guess what, my machine running windows 2003 server reacts 10x faster than an identical machine running vista. As for the patch equitypetey mentioned, it was inevitable that someone would create one. M$ are trying to get games to only support DX10 (won't happen for a while yet though) and since they refuse to produce DX10 for XP in an effort to force people to upgrade (they've done this or something similar every new version of windows) People are taking the law into their own hands because they don't want to be forced into an upgrade that requires the desktop equivalent of a CRAY5 to run.
     
  10. Almo

    Almo Well-Known Member

    Trialed Vista for a week, hated it, rolled back to XP :) it just didnt quite cut it and slowed my poor laptop down to almost nonfunctional speeds.
     
  11. equitypetey

    equitypetey Well-Known Member

    its not just a force to make x10 for xp but also a force making patches so vista only games run on xp for example halo 2 is now playable on xp. i am going to have vista but i will be running dual os so i'll game on xp x10 does not make that bigger difference on gfx to make it worth while. but then again the system i am building in a few months will run anything amd 6400+, 2gb 800mhz ram, 512 8800 nvidia.
     
  12. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Equitypetey: if you are going to be dual booting, maybe you could run 3DMark or Aquamark on both OSes and post the scores? Would be interesting to see how much difference there is. Of course, there might not be any difference in scores.
     
  13. O_exe

    O_exe Member

    Which just happens to be Microsoft Windows XP. After years of making updates and making XP users happy, it's their choice to finally stop it and just focus on their new thing. You either get with it or get left ^^

    I don't see why everyone says it's so terrible. Of course I never had even a low end graphics card either, so me upgrading from my 256MB RAM, 1.2 Ghz intel celeron, and 30GB HDD (27 in the end) with XP to a Vista with 2GB RAM, 200 GB HDD (180+ in the end), dual core processor, etc. etc. etc. is better than staying in the past with my 6GB space left ;D (woohoo! Multitasking without lag is fun :p )

    So far it has a pretty interface and pretty much no problems save for finding what's compatible with it.

    As for DirectX.....Um, it sounds important from the wiki on it. New should be better! :D (us commoners/non programmers/technical illiterates don't notice the problems so much as the benefits they tell us. Yay for bliss in ignorance!)
     
  14. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    You aren't going to notice how bad it is because you never tried a more conservative OS on your new system.
     
  15. dzpliu

    dzpliu New Member

    VISTA is not stable yet, it crashes alot
     
  16. swangtal

    swangtal Member

    It still crashes? What's your system's spec?
    I know my current system cannot handle the Vista yet, but Dx10 looks very yummy for me. My reason for having a computer is mainly gaming, so Dx10 is a very big deal.

    I've always advised a lot of people I know against changing to Vista, because 1) They uses laptop. 2) They don't play games to begin with.
    Then after they switch to Vista, they come back and complain to me how shitty it is. I always slap a big "I told you your computer can't handle it" back at their face.
    It'd be a while before softwares take full advantage of Vista and DX10--and even longer before the mass gets good enough computers to actually run it properly.

    Why the heck do they have to change the interface though--that annoys me.
     
  17. equitypetey

    equitypetey Well-Known Member

    again dx10 is pointless you end up with slow frame rates and have to drop the res, and dx9 in high res looks better and plays full frame rates wait till next year for dx10 cause the gfx cards will be able to handle it a bit better or the beta version or the dx10 xp patch will be out.
     
  18. sir spamalot

    sir spamalot Well-Known Member

    i guess it really depends - did vista come with your pc or did you upgrade?

    one very annoying thing in vista is when copying andpasting large files and seeing the timer read something like "time remaining: 3 days"

    this is on a pentium dual core lappy with 2 gigs ddr2 ram.
     
  19. equitypetey

    equitypetey Well-Known Member

    it does not depend on anything vista is rubbish in every way there really is no point getting it till next year or the year after that when the hardware has caught up and the bugs have been sorted
     
  20. Xile

    Xile Active Member

    vista wont connect my DSFireLink :( and with my nvidia 8800gtx i get 20-40 fps in UrbanTerror wich should be around 60-90.
    IMO vista sucks