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The Butterfly Effect

Discussion in 'Debates' started by rock91, Feb 3, 2010.

  1. rock91

    rock91 Well-Known Member

    Ok basically The Butterfly Effect is when a small thing can result to big changes in ones life or in the world.
    For example, if a butterfly would flap their wings in Africa, it could cause a hurricane in America.


    Do you believe in The Butterfly Effect ?
    Do you recall a moment when this happened?




    Personally I don't believe in The Butterfly Effect. I think that something of a big magnitude must happen in order for big changes to come in hand.


    Discuss........
     
  2. Omega00

    Omega00 Well-Known Member

    Agreed, I believe change can only come from hard work, I would hate to die because someone left the toilet seat up :p
     
  3. dedboy

    dedboy Guest

    The biggest changes come from small steps.
     
  4. Suiseiseki

    Suiseiseki Well-Known Member

    Sure. Basic principle of emergent behavior. I introduced a friend of mine to a girl I knew. Five years later, there's been one report of sexual molestation and a lot of sex, drugs and alcohol. People's lives have been changed to an astonishing degree because of that. Why shouldn't it be the same with a butterfly flapping its wings?
     
  5. equitypetey

    equitypetey Well-Known Member

    yep this works.

    my friend asked me to talk to a girl for him, in that instant it changed the direction of my life.
    we had a child together changing my life completely and there is now a new person in the word that will have many effects on other people and things.

    the butterfly effect come from chaos theory and is an example of how small indiscriminate changes can affect an entire system.
    it is an observable and testable (although widely not understood) process.
     
  6. TirithRR

    TirithRR Well-Known Member

    It was a pretty mediocre movie.
    The alternate ending was the best one.

    Alternate Ending:
    Ashton Kutcher decides the only way to make everything right is if he was never born. He goes back to before he was actually born and strangles himself with the umbilical cord and his mother miscarries. The girl he loved and her brother move away with their mother during the divorce and they live a happy life.

    Original Ending:
    Ashton Kutcher goes back in time to when he was a kid and tells the girl something along the lines of "I will kill you!". She never falls for him, and she moves away with her mother rather than staying with the abusive father just to be with Ashton. The girl lives a happy life.

    At least, I'm pretty sure that's how the endings were.
     
  7. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    The butterfly effect is arguable, if we're using the example given in the first post.

    There is the point that the wind, already, had to be a powerful wind to begin with, and this slight factor, from the butterfly flapping its tiny wings, may have added to tip the iceberg and helped create the hurricane. Or the actual reverse that the butterfly flapping it's wings created a small force within the air and as it travelled, through time, it additionally picked up force and combined with other winds to create the hurricane. Either of these speculates that it would still contributing. So then we have to wonder if the are actually related or not. The butterfly's wings itself do not have the power to create much force at all, only enough to keep itself aloft. Either this is a bad example itself or the butterfly flapping its wings don't count as a factor.

    I think it's worth speculating, but it's impossible to be 100% definite with the majority of events. :)

    There is my opinion, I am in favour of neither.
     
  8. Mein

    Mein Well-Known Member

    I believe in butterfly effects.
    It's like to choose go to either of your friends house.
    The outcome can become really different for their relationship.
     
  9. tehuber1337

    tehuber1337 Well-Known Member

    The hurricane-causing butterfly is an apocryphal (though titular) example of the idea. I highly doubt there's currently any scientific basis for it, but I'm not ruling it out either.

    The butterfly effect is a human-defined concept. For such a concept to be formed, it must first have been observed. Therefore, yes, it does exist. To deny it would be to misstate the significance of either an initial event or an observed result.

    It's a shame that the vast majority of the human race fails to take into account the long term impacts of their actions.
     
  10. rock91

    rock91 Well-Known Member

    Look what 1 man hitler ot osama did. This world changed completely because 1 man in bilions
     
  11. Mein

    Mein Well-Known Member

    I have another example.
    A rolling gravel can push a small stone, and then the bigger one and again, until become a big rolling stone that can destroy a village.
     
  12. tehuber1337

    tehuber1337 Well-Known Member

    I'm confused. Are you trying to agree or disagree with me? The content of the above quote contradicts what you said in the first post about not believing in the butterfly effect.
     
  13. gameboy5.0

    gameboy5.0 Well-Known Member

    i think it not mean to a butterfly but say that with the small things that we do in are life lead to big changes in are world for good or bad
     
  14. Suiseiseki

    Suiseiseki Well-Known Member

    Hi there, Captain Obvious.
     
  15. rock91

    rock91 Well-Known Member

    lol, I'm changing my way of thinking now XD. Notice how one topic can change my way of thinking.
    The butterfly effect ladies and gentlemen
     
  16. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    I never the butterfly effect was actual truth, and neither did I say it was false. I don't concern myself in matters that I don't need to know about. The Butterfly effect is just one simple case of this. I'm not flaming or being hostile or anything. I am completely neutral so please don't misinterpret this. :)
     
  17. tehuber1337

    tehuber1337 Well-Known Member

    And this, folks, is the problem I was talking about at the end of my first post in this thread.
     
  18. snebbers

    snebbers Well-Known Member

    Well is that not wrong itself, everyone lives their lives differently. I live mine my way, you live yours your way. We are all individuals. I'm entitled to my viewpoint and my perspective on life and the way I live it, just like you are with yours and everyone elses with theirs. You may call it a problem, but it seems that you don't agree.
     
  19. Hypr

    Hypr Well-Known Member

    Obviously, you've missed the entire point of tehuber's post.

    Two things here: one, you posted in this thread, and two, at the same time, you claim to not concern in matters that you don't need to know about including the Butterfly Effect which this thread is all about.

    As tehuber was saying:
    Which in your case snebbers, you never thought about the consequences (i.e. people like me ridiculing you) for making such posts that don't contribute anything productive to the discussion on the Butterfly Effect, especially since you're not concerned about it at all. And on top of that, as I have said before, you have missed tehuber's point. Congratulations! You've made a fool out of yourself!
     
  20. nex26

    nex26 Well-Known Member

    I didn't think it was up to much. Ashton Kutcher is a terrible actor.