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Swine flu, was it manmade?

Discussion in 'Debates' started by kamage, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. kamage

    kamage Well-Known Member

    Think about it, swine flu is a mixture of the original swine flue, avian flu, and the common influenza. Also, this all happened at the start of "Summer" when people start taking vacations, and places become tourist spots, and congested, which would strongly increase the levels of those infected.

    If this turns out to be the "big one" (Which I hardly believe) It couldn't of been natural. The original swine flu (early 1900's) didn't cause the deaths, the vaccines that prevented them caused the actual death. That means that the last outbreak was caused by man's accident. But how about this one? Will history repeat itself? Or will it be a false alarm?

    Reasons why I don't think it's natural:

    1.How would a pig catch Bird flu, influenza, and swine flu all at the same time? People already know of the pig's mixing vessels, so wouldn't they be a primary candidate for making such an illness?

    2.The season is pretty much a coincidence. The Early beginning of summer.

    3.It was spread in mass panic by the media. Someone informed them, it wasn't WHO, it was someone else. (WHO strongly advised against this announcement, but it was released anyways. What's done is done right?)

    So, any thoughts on this?
     
  2. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    its not man made, its a natural evolution of the H1N1 virus.
     
  3. kamage

    kamage Well-Known Member

    The H1N1 virus kills via cytokine storm (Immune system overreacts), while the new virus killed through pneumonia. How would a lung disease be connected to an immune system override?
     
  4. crazytuna

    crazytuna Well-Known Member

    No I think it still kills by overreaction, the body overproduce the "globules blancs" (forgot the english word) which cause other symptoms
     
  5. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    There has to be a connection otherwise scientists wouldn't have designated it a strain of H1N1. It is entirely possible that it has evolved to use a different attack vector.
     
  6. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    Thank God I wasn't the only Conspiracy theorist "thinker" here on RomUlation.
     
  7. northofpolaris

    northofpolaris Well-Known Member

    Yeah... I think you're giving our technological level a little too much credit.
     
  8. 1prinnydood

    1prinnydood Guest

    If it is man made then its a bit rubbish as Tamiflu and Relenza are effective against it.

    Seasonal flu kills 250,000-500,000 people every year, this new varient of type A flu is nothing to be concerned about.

    Good article from Simon Jenkins http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/29/swine-flu-mexico-uk-media1
     
  9. kamage

    kamage Well-Known Member

    Yes, I've heard that Tamiflu and Relenza are effective against it, and I've heard from somewhere that most of the victims either already had something in their immune systems, as well as their living conditions being somewhat...(Forgot the word)

    So, at least I'm not the only conspirist thinker here on RomU :p (GO CAHOS!)
     
  10. Ultimate-Sonic-3000

    Ultimate-Sonic-3000 Well-Known Member

    I bet Swine Flu has a built-in natural self-destruct feature, and it's a good thing that I'm not a traveller!
     
  11. Lechongbaboy

    Lechongbaboy Well-Known Member

    Historyrepeats itself as manmade viruses has cometh again. Like Anthrax.
     
  12. mds64

    mds64 Well-Known Member

    I better wear a mask into the city next time I go out then...

    It's a scary thought though, if this was truly man made...

    Do these people know the consequences, not just to thier enemies, but to themselves?
    One of the infected could fly to where they are and un-intentionally pass it back to them...

    Then again...it could just be another cruel push by nature to see who's fit to rule the earth...and yes I am comparing us to dinosaurs, but that is a different matter...
     
  13. Atlnathics

    Atlnathics Active Member

    I Didn't know nature could call forth a metorite to destroy some species of dinosaurs and let others live =o
     
  14. mds64

    mds64 Well-Known Member

    How else would you explain that-even space is a natural thing?

    Anything that isn't man made to me is natural, which I consider as "nature", metorite's fall every now and then, back then they...just got a really big one...

    The ones that survived were lucky, or just survived total devastation...

    These viruses...who knows, sure not imedietly as deadly, but will end up the same fate if left un-checked...

    That is just my thought though, unless space is considered something else then I consider it a natural thing...
     
  15. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    It wasn't the meteorite strike that directly killed the dinosaurs (though a few possibly died). The impact created a huge cloud of dust that hung in the air and spread on the wind, blocking the sun's warmth and light from the earth, a so called 'cosmic winter'. Those that were unable to adapt rapidly froze to death.
     
  16. BloodVayne

    BloodVayne Well-Known Member

    There are human elements to this. Contamination and breeding of the virus is easy if the conditions allow. The thing is: viruses are always going to get STRONGER over time. It's an evolutionary process to say the least. Stronger vaccines= stronger viruses. I wouldn't go as far as to say this was deliberate, but I'll just wait and see...
     
  17. i think it's manmade it came from a kid in mexico, he didn't even died he survived.
     
  18. BladeOFGrass

    BladeOFGrass Well-Known Member

    It's a little absurd to think it came from some "Umbrella Corp" like evil business. Now, I'm pretty sure that the disease ridden cesspool that's called Mexico, provided the necessary conditions for a bird/swine/human mutation.
     
  19. crazytuna

    crazytuna Well-Known Member

    yeah they did they just quarrantined the whole population to stay home for the next week
    so we could say that Mexico is completely frozen
     
  20. soo, the kid made the flu? is that it?