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Soy Milk - is it good or bad for the body?

Discussion in 'Debates' started by crimson089, Nov 30, 2009.

  1. crimson089

    crimson089 Well-Known Member

    Does anyone here drinks soy milk? It bothers me cause I started to consume soy milk a few weeks ago. I never drink milk or cow's milk since I was 13 because I hate the taste, and I knew it wasn't healthy. So I tried an alternative and I really like the taste of soy milk, I can even take 3 huge bottles a day but I try to control myself to 1 mug a day, plus it is said to be high in protein and fiber, high in vitamins B1, B2, B6 and E, and prevents some cancers and osteoporosis. But then I started to hear the dangers of soy milk like it's just a multi-million dollar marketing strategy. I'm not sure if this should be on general discussion, if so, please do...


    Soy Milk: Unlike cow's milk, it came from a bean (soybeans). It naturally has about the same amount of protein (though not the same amino acid profile) as cow's milk. Natural soy milk contains little digestible calcium as it is bound to the bean's pulp, which is insoluble in humans. To counter this, many manufacturers enrich their products with calcium carbonate available to human digestion. Unlike cow's milk, it has little saturated fat and no cholesterol. Soy products contain sucrose as the basic disaccharide, which breaks down into glucose and fructose. Since soy doesn't contain galactose, a product of lactose breakdown, soy-based infant formulas can safely replace breast milk in children with galactosemia.

    Soy milk is promoted as a healthy alternative to cow's milk for reasons including:

    * Source of lecithin and vitamin E
    * Lacks casein
    * It is safe for people with lactose intolerance or milk allergy
    * Contains far less saturated fat than cow's milk.
    * Contains isoflavones, organic chemicals that may possibly be beneficial to health.
     
  2. ggrroohh

    ggrroohh Well-Known Member

    I've been drinking that stuff for 5 years,and I'm alive.
    What do you think..?
     
  3. Natewlie

    Natewlie A bag of tricks

    This is the only reason why I have to drink it. Seriously, it's nastier than milk.

    They're both healthy. I win. Just because they both get a lot of money means nothing to your body.

    Yes, they're both nasty, I'd rather have just collected all my breast milk and drank that. Thank god there's such thing as yogurt and ice cream to replace my intake of calcium.
     
  4. 1prinnydood

    1prinnydood Guest

    Soy Milk is wonderful stuff unless you want to have kids. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3513607.stm

    The real problem with soy is that you are already eating too much of it, it is added to so many things you eat like pizza, probably best not to add to the massive amount of it you are already eating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2006/jul/25/food.foodanddrink
     
  5. crimson089

    crimson089 Well-Known Member

    well i really love the taste of soy milk, it tastes really good. perhaps because i'm asian...??
    anyway i only drink 1 glass a day, i hope it's safe.
     
  6. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Cows milk is perfectly healthy, I drink around 2-3 pints a day. It stopped me losing a finger when I was younger.
     
  7. koyuchan

    koyuchan Well-Known Member

    I usually drink cows milk, but soymilk is more healthy, if you don't drink it too much :)
     
  8. mds64

    mds64 Well-Known Member


    But that milk is even more fatty...I wouldn't advise it if ya want to keep your figure.


    I like cow's milk...though too many a time I drank supposedly freash cow's milk that...taste and smells rotten.

    That is another story.
     
  9. ace1o1

    ace1o1 Well-Known Member

    i love milk. i drink it more than water! i've tried soy milk, but didn't really like it...

    i has a weird taste to it (soy).
     
  10. Tosse2009

    Tosse2009 Guest

    Sorry folks. soy milk is not healthier than regular milk. And taken into account that 97% of global soy production is genetically engineered, then it should not be that hard to make a conclusion.

    Myth: Soy has been used as food for thousands of years.
    Truth: Soy was first introduced as food during the last Chou dynasty (1134-246 f.kr) but only after the Chinese learned to ferment soy beans to make products like tempeh, natto and tamari.
    Myth: Asians consume large amounts of soy in the diet.
    Truth: Average consumption of soy in Japan and in China is 10 grams (about 2 teaspoons per day). Asians consume soy foods in small amounts as a condiment, not as a replacement for animal foods.
    Myth: Modern soy foods confer the same health benefits as traditional fermented soy products.
    Truth: Few modern soy products are fermented. Fermentation breaks down toxins in soybeans. Instead produced most modern soy products in a way that denatures proteins and increases levels of carcinogens.
    Myth: Soy foods contain a complete protein.
    Truth: Like all legumes, soybeans are deficient in sulfur-containing amino acids methionine and cystine. In addition, modern processing denatures fragile lysine.
    Myth: Fermented soy foods can provide vitamin B12 in vegetarian diets.
    Truth: The compound in soy that resembles vitamin B12 can not be used by the human body; fact, soy foods the body needs for vitamin B12
    Myth: Soy-based infant formulas are safe for babies.
    Truth: Soy foods contain trypsin inhibitors that inhibit protein digestion and affect pancreatic function. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors led to stunted growth and pancreatic disorders.
    Soy foods increase the body's need for vitamin D is necessary for strong bones and normal growth.
    Phytatsyre of soy products reduces the biological availability of iron and zinc, which is a prerequisite for a healthy development of the brain and nervous system.
    Soy also lacks cholesterol, likewise essential for the development of brain and nervous system.
    Mega doses of phytoestrogens in soy formula be associated with the trend towards early sexual development in girls and delayed or retarded sexual development in boys.
    Myth: Soy foods can prevent osteoporosis.
    Truth: Soy foods can cause deficiencies in calcium and vitamin D, both needed for healthy bones. Calcium from bone broths and vitamin D from seafood, lard and organ meats prevent osteoporosis in Asian countries - no soy beans!
    Myth: Modern soy foods protect against many types of cancer.
    Truth: A report from the British government has concluded that there is minimal evidence that soy foods protect against breast cancer or other cancers. The fact is that soy products increase the risk of cancer.
    Myth: Soy foods protect against heart disease.
    Truth: In some people, consumption of soy lower cholesterol, but there is no evidence that lowering cholesterol risk of heart disease.
    Myth: Soy estrogens (isoflavones) are good for your health.
    Truth: Soy isoflavones are phyto-endocrine disrupters. At intake, they can prevent ovulation and stimulate the growth of cancer cells. Eating as little as 30 grams (about 4 tablespoons) of soy per day can result in hypothyroidism with symptoms of lethargy, constipation, weight gain and fatigue.
    Myth: Soy foods are safe and beneficial for menopausal women.
    Truth: Soy foods can stimulate the growth of estrogen-dependent tumors and cause thyroid problems. Low thyroid function is associated with difficulties in menopause.
    Myth: Phytoestrogens in soy can improve mental skills.
    Truth: Recent research shows that women with the highest levels of estrogen in their blood had the lowest levels of cognitive function; tofu consumption in middle-aged Japanese Americans has been linked to outbreaks of Alzheimer's later in life.
    Myth: Soy isoflavones and soy protein concentrate has GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status.
    Truth: Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) recently withdrew its application to the FDA for GRAS status for soy isoflavones following protests from the scientific community. FDA has never given GRAS status for soy protein isolate because of concern about the presence of toxins and carcinogens in processed soy.
    Myth: Soy is good for your sex life.
    Truth: Numerous animal studies have shown that soy cause infertility in animals. Soy consumption enhances hair growth in middle-aged men, indicating lowered testosterone levels. Japanese housewives feed tofu to their husbands if they want to reduce his virility.
    Myth: Soybeans are good for the environment.
    Truth: Most of the cultivated soybeans are genetically engineered so that producers can use large amounts of herbicides.
     
  11. ace1o1

    ace1o1 Well-Known Member

    i just skimmed that, but i think you're right!

    genetically altered food isn't the best.....it's kinda like cloned meat...i wouldn't want to eat cloned meat personally....don't know why... i just have a nasty feeling about eating something that was cloned...
     
  12. ggrroohh

    ggrroohh Well-Known Member

    And your source is....?
     
  13. Tosse2009

    Tosse2009 Guest

    My profession is that Im a doctor/Scientist and I do rearching in alternative supposed healthy food, and soy milk is one things that I have been researching on. Furthermore on http://www.sciencedaily.com/ you can see a lot of references to these myths/facts.
     
  14. 1prinnydood

    1prinnydood Guest

    That list of 'facts" you posted was lifted from this site http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/03soymyths.htm it is in no way a scientific site and its findings are dubious. Some of what is claimed by the site is quite correct such as lower sperm counts in men and problems with woman's menstrual cycle when consuming too much soy. I also agree with the sites quest to have soy removed from baby milk formula. The site is also quite clear that it does not have any connection to the scientific community, therefore much of what is said is unqualified opinion.

    I find it very unlikely that anyone who professes to be a scientist would use material from this questionable site to back up their argument. You need not resort to non-science to find that there are some problems with over consumption of soy, but then there are problems associated with eating too much of anything.
     
  15. ace1o1

    ace1o1 Well-Known Member

    i can say that i'm a university professor at harvard, but you can tell that i'm obviousely a college bum who's on break and has nothing to do for 6 weeks!! ;)

    i cant just believe that you're a scientist without knowing you or you having more proof about the matter.

    and i like 1prinnydood's post. that's what made me think that.