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Need some help about capital punishment.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by XD9999, Oct 4, 2010.

  1. XD9999

    XD9999 Well-Known Member

    Hello! I need help in presenting arguments and getting more arguments.

    We're having a debate in our class and I was the unfortunate one to be cast as a speaker against death penalty. It's going to be a British Parlamentary style with supposedly 4 speakers but since my professor wants everyone to talk, there will be five of us talking....yes, this is me ranting.,..sorry

    I've read a few articles from here and the Death Penalty of the debate section here in romulation. I noticed that the discussion went from Illegal drugs, sex offenders, detailed depiction of lethal injection, animals, perspective in regards to death and other peoples suffering, different forms of religion or worship, and surpringsingly ended with someone mentioning the playstation found in the anime Cowboy Bebop. There was an ellaborate discussion found on page 9,10,11 which I found helpful, many thanks for that.

    Im kinda stuck with the following ideas and I can't determine which are true facts, therefore I would be most grateful if you could help. This are the things I found while browsing through that website that is pro-life.

    1. Cost
    Which is cheaper? Having someone executed by capital punishment or having them penalized by life imprisonment without parole. I read in most sites (usually about the california state of USA) that it is cheaper to have them imprisoned but there are some sites that suggest otherwise. Do you know of anysite that resolved this?

    Taking into consideration that execution is via Lethal Injection and the appeals of those on death row. (I had to add this because I just read this where the cheap way of execution is not necessarily what most people nowadays would consider humane. )

    2. Detterence
    Does Capital Punishment reduce crime or makes no difference? Is the small potion of decrease in crime rate make a significant impact on the community? Is it more beneficial to invest money. that is poured in deciding death senteces, to programs that helps the community or doest implementing capital punishment by itself a benefit to the community?

    3. Impact
    Im thinking here of people that are involved parties in execution. The people that are survivors of the victims and survivors of the offender. Is it more beneficial for both parties to simply have the LWOP(Life imprisonment With Out Parole) because I read somewhere that it can cause trauma for both parties to have the event of someones execution forever scarred in their memory. I think this also includes the concept of justice that is very arbitrary and sometimes contradicting, like phrases "how can a government show the value of life in executing another life" or "Why should we be fair to those that are unfair?". I don't really get this one. It's feels like water, difficult to hold....

    Could you please help me in getting the FACTS straight?

    I would appreciate it a lot if you would post a link of a study, statistics, thesis, papers, etc. to support your answer...this way i won't get screwed by my teacher or opponents. hehehe.

    Also, if it would not be too much to ask, please don't use religion as a basis. Many thanks.
     
  2. personuser

    personuser Well-Known Member

    Well, here's how I feel on execution "humanity"...

    If the criminal terribly and gruesomely killed or raped their victim, I will have to go with Hammurabi's code here, eye for an eye. The only way for such criminals to learn is to do to them what they had done to their victims.

    I think this, showing that the punishment for such actions would actually BE painful and inhumane would GREATLY decrease crime rate.

    What I feel too, what's prison to the poor who commit crimes? A guaranteed three hot meals and a place to sleep, or as many call it, "three hots and a cot". Providing for killers will do NOTHING.

    One final comment on this matter is that there should be EQUALITY in justice. A Woman killing a man is just as wrong as a Man killing another man, a white man killing a white man is just as wrong as a black man killing a white man, etc. Punishments should be painful no matter what majority or minority you're in.

    One interesting thing is that the Electric chair was used for the first time in forty-something years in 2007. They hope to never use it again, but for a while after the time when the chair WAS used, the crime rate dropped...
     
  3. basho1213

    basho1213 Well-Known Member

    Since I am far too high to come up with decent argument I will list the kinds of criminals I think we should kill

    Pedos/Rapists : Kill [drown them in shit at a sewage treatment center]
    Murderers: Kill [preferably with fire]
    DUIs : Kill [drown them in booze]
    Thieves : Cut their hands off.

    Cant think of anything else.
     
  4. awesomebros

    awesomebros Well-Known Member

    Death penalty is more expensive, court fees and all that other stuff.
     
  5. j c 2000

    j c 2000 Well-Known Member

    I think that would serve them right.But imagine the price that it would take to drown someone.
     
  6. awesomebros

    awesomebros Well-Known Member

    What if we snip off their PeePees?
     
  7. garychencool

    garychencool Well-Known Member

    Death can be cheaper than life in prision if the bad guy is in his 20s. if it was like drug death, expensive. LOL, I remembered that in Texas or some state in southern USA has marksman shoot the suspect in a shooting range.
     
  8. basho1213

    basho1213 Well-Known Member

    drowning them in shit would be free though
     
  9. j c 2000

    j c 2000 Well-Known Member

    where would get free sh**? Sewage companies make pay 2 rat dropping per ounce of sewage.
     
  10. XD9999

    XD9999 Well-Known Member

    kindly support your answer with facts please...
     
  11. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    contrary to common belief, it actually costs more to execute a criminal than it does to keep them locked up for a typical lifespan.
     
  12. damanali

    damanali Well-Known Member

    Why so? How much is the difference in killing criminals and keeping criminals alive for a certain time? Maybe it cost more to kill them because of the humane way of killing them, right?
    Meaning lethal injection.
     
  13. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    I dont know the details offhand, it was something I read a number of years ago.
     
  14. ace1o1

    ace1o1 Well-Known Member

    Yep.
    Kinda weird, but it is true. :p

    I don't really believe in the death penalty, but I am not in control of anything right now...and I keep forgetting to send in my voter's registration. ::)

    There's a bunch of stuff that many answer that question, though I didn't read it cause I am very sleepy and I don't feel like it. :p
    http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001000
     
  15. awesomebros

    awesomebros Well-Known Member

    There are all sorts of court fees and legal papers and appeals that you'll need to go through.

    And lethal injections are just saline solutions.
     
  16. ace1o1

    ace1o1 Well-Known Member

    Are you sure?

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080918133547AAUkQKW

    Saline is just used to spread the poison through the body faster.
     
  17. awesomebros

    awesomebros Well-Known Member

    Oh. My ELA teacher taught us incorrectly then.
     
  18. ace1o1

    ace1o1 Well-Known Member

    I'd say. :p
     
  19. trimbletown

    trimbletown Well-Known Member

    To answer this you must ponder the purpose of the death penalty. Is it meant as punishment or is it a measure of safety to the rest of society? If it's a punishment then its not very logical as you can't repent what you've done if you're dead.