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Mutation Theory debates

Discussion in 'Debates' started by Classic-wolf, Jan 23, 2009.

  1. Classic-wolf

    Classic-wolf Well-Known Member

    Obviously, presenting mutation theories and hypothesis and debating whether or not those mutation would positively, negatively, or trade-off affect them and their chances of survival, as well as the mutation becoming permanent.

    The mutations can be from real life, comic book, T.V., your brain, whatever, just make sure to have some semi-realistic basis for your argument for or against a mutation.

    here is a basic example, and first theory:

    Mutation: Cat with extra claws
    advantage: Better in fights, and plausibly, better at hunting.
    Disadvantage: It's locomotion may be slightly hindered from the possible encumbrance that comes with extra appendages. Can be overcame.
    My verdict:(High Medium or Low) High possibility of becoming a permanent mutation, because of more ease at slaughtering prey, and winning fights, passing trait from generation to generation.
    Basis: I had a cat with seven claws. Every time it wanted to scratch something, it would leave at least five marks from one good, deep swipe, instead of at least three.
    Possible problem: It was adopted near a nuclear plant, therefore it may have been sterile.

    Comments?

    Your own Theories/Hypothesise?

    Thanks for your time. Hope this becomes a prolific topic! (Crossing all 10 fingers!)
     
  2. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Well mutations can be a good thing; that's evolution but mostly it does not effect the sex cells or it doesn't cause good mutation so it wouldn't be passed on as: a- It would die
    or b- It wouldn't get a mate
    or c- Can't pass on the mutation sexually

    Now there are some examples of human mutation; like some people are getting fang like teeth or double teeth.
    There are also hand and feet variation; some people develop monkey like middle toes for example and some people have little tail stumps.

    Mutation isn't explained very well in the media
     
  3. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    I have a genetic mutation, but the effect is unknown.
     
  4. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    See; it is getting common now

    I was worried about mutations until I had a science lesson on it
     
  5. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Not really; myself, my sister and my father are the only known cases of this mutation in the world.
     
  6. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    That type of mutation; mutation of various types is happening to humans
    Several people in my area have a mutation
     
  7. anandjones

    anandjones Well-Known Member

    I know a girl with 6 toes on each foot. But it will occur more frequently in people soon. They may be better, or may be worse.
     
  8. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    I know somebody with toad like hands; he can spread them real wide, the fingers are long and there's a little bit of webbing; quite gross...
     
  9. calvin_0

    calvin_0 Well-Known Member

    arcoding to the theory of evolution, mutation that give an advantages to a species to survive will lead to evolution of that species, mutation that either give disadvatanges to a species to survive will eventually dies out.
     
  10. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Basically
     
  11. XD9999

    XD9999 Well-Known Member

    i had a classmate in elemtary. He had an extra finger attached to his thumb. It freaked me out at first...lol
     
  12. dave_salmon

    dave_salmon Well-Known Member

    Some one i know has three siblings all with genetic mutations one of which has the only known case of that particular mutation.
     
  13. Adnan1992

    Adnan1992 Well-Known Member

    A mutating pass key algorithm like the one from in Dan Brown's book "Digital Fortress" would be quite usefull. Not even brute force machines could find it's code.
     
  14. Deathbreak911

    Deathbreak911 Well-Known Member

    So it goes to offspring only? Oh.. good... we woln't be seeing any more cases of it then ;)
     
  15. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    no... it first occurred in my dad, there haven't been any other cases yet. I've no intention of ever having kids of my own (for that and other reasons) but my sister is stupid over kids so she'll probably continue the line. (god help the kids)
     
  16. Classic-wolf

    Classic-wolf Well-Known Member

    Good anecdotes, and nice discussion, but let us see some theories! The only thing that's closest to a theory is Calvin's post. Come on, provide your ideas as to whether these mutations will help or hinder. I'll start: That girl with six toes; upside: more foot to balance on. Probably slightly stronger legs from the extra weight. Downside: possibility of encumbrance, and it might be hard to find good shoes that fit. (hint:Salvation Army! Goodwill! Whatever they are called over in Europe.)
    Any idea as to where the mutation is Loony? I might be able to develop a hypothesis if you are willing to give more data, but that is up to you gov'. Let me know, whether or not, alright?
    Sorry about getting off topic but, Adnan... I don't mean to rain on your parade magazine, but I have one word that kind of screws over any fortress: Gundam!(or BIG-O) Other than that, Solid Snake, Ocean's 11 people, and anything else that's just plain badass; that fortress is a good idea. Whomever owns it though needs to remember, the inestimability, and strength of humanity. We do have forests and towers of computers that a hacker could link together, so I'm betting that it is getting more possible to hack everyday! No fortress is uninfiltratable. It can be hard to find a way through, but that don't mean there isn't. Please don't think of me as a sphincter! (punchline: At least a colon( : ), or maybe a semicolon( ; ).)
     
  17. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    extra or split gene in chromasome 13
     
  18. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Heheh... At least you haven't got an extra chromosome 23 ^-^
     
  19. Classic-wolf

    Classic-wolf Well-Known Member

    Well Loony, I'm not a doctor, but I'm betting you haven't been sick much... ever. It has probably boosted your immune system, or made your lymphnodes cancer resistant or something along those lines. Did your father have any specific illness that attacks said lymphnodes, or his father? (this is my theory:) Chromasome 13 deals with Fat creating, and storing, as well as your immune system and muscle to skin attachment. Now I don't claim to know ANYTHING, but I am quite capable when it comes to science, the human body, and meta-science( No, most scientists shun this concept, but it truly works!). In the numerology I was taught, 13 is rarely unlucky, it just means change, and I bet it affects the parts of your body that allow change to you physically. Or there is an extra flavor receptor type on your tongue, or your tastes(mental and physical) change faster or slower than normal. Do you naturally lose and gain weight rapidly? Like you go for a jog and come back weighing five pounds less. Eat a couple pieces of cake or pie and gain 10-20 pounds. The way people exaggerate after they eat a substantial meal, or take a large excretion(dump), but in real life. If you wish to find out, weigh yourself before and after rigorous physical activity and/or dinner and/or supper.(Yes, those are two different meals)

    Watch your kidneys my good man!!! Especially if you experience cramps for no apparent reason, You may want to invest in a potassium supplement. If you don't experience cramps, vitamin E. yes E. And D. OR if you want to just cover all the basics, get a whole food supplement, from the Health store. DO NOT get that synthetic stuff from the drugstore, your body can't process it. If you go with whole food supplement, don't be surprised if your urine looks radioactive, that just means you're very healthy, and there are excess vitamins that your body didn't need; which is a good thing. So don't be surprised if your kidneys and/or lymphs fail at around 30-50 depending on your general health due to your mutation. Hope I was helpful. What would your(Anybodies') hypothesis be?

    Cj: Man that would vacuum! The Stigma of not being sure which half of the world you belong to would be too great for this one! I'm glad for the fact that I know what half I am of and belong to.
     
  20. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    I am very resistant to illness, yes. my father is also generally very healthy aside from type II diabetes which he was diagnosed with in his early 40s. My grandfather died of prostate cancer. I am medically underweight and cannot seem to gain weight and I have to be almost bedridden before I take medication.