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memory? ram?

Discussion in 'Computers & Modding' started by bhatooth, Apr 1, 2009.

  1. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    so whats memory and ram in my computer it says i have 224 ram but seph said its impossible because its always times two yeah something like that then loony said 128 + 64 + 32 = 224 then i dont remember everything just whats a ram and a memory stick and what is a good one?
     
  2. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    RAM (= Random Access Memory) is the working area of your computer. data you are currently working with is stored in RAM (as opposed to disk, which is long term storage). The more ram you have, the more data you can work with at once. Seph is correct in that ram is always in multiples of two.

    RAM comes in modules of different capacities, the capacities add up to make your total, as in your case I suggested you might have 3 modules of different capacities, a 128MB, a 64MB and a 32MB. There are other ways you could have this total, e.g you could have 3x 64MB modules and a 32MB. Most computers have four RAM slots, some have two.

    There are different types of ram (EDO, SDRAM (what I think you have), DDR SDRAM, DDR2 SDRAM, DDR3 SDRAM and RDRAM) EDO is never used anymore; that is what you used to find in computers with 286/386 processors. SDRAM is also rarely used, although a number of pentium 4 boards used it before DDR SDRAM gained popularity. DDR2 and DDR3 are just newer variants.

    RDRAM is never used, it was a standard Intel invented to compete with DDR SDRAM and it lost out, mainly because it was unreasonably expensive, although some early P4 boards take it.

    With the exception of RDRAM (which is about the same speed as DDR SDRAM), the RAM types I listed get faster from left to right. All these standards are incompatible, so if your computer takes SDRAM you cannot put DDR2 SDRAM in it.

    if I am correct in assuming your computer takes SDRAM (I'll tell you how to check further down) then your computer's performance will be suffering, not just because you don't have much ram (2GB is considered standard these days; about 10x more than you've got), but also because of the speed. Computers are constrained by the speed of the slowest component in them, and while RAM is generally considered to be one of the fastest components, SDRAM is far too slow for a Pentium 4 processor. Unfortunately the only way to correct this would be a new motherboard and potentially a new processor as well.

    Upgrading RAM is generally easy, however there are some things to consider. I already mentioned that you have to use ram meeting the same standard as your current ram; also you need to consider form factor (= shape, size and pin layout); desktop computers use a DIMM form factor, laptops use SODIMM. Speed needs to be considered, ram is available in different speed grades, if you get one faster than your board can support it will work fine, but you paid extra for the extra speed you can't use. All RAM modules must be the same speed otherwise they run at the speed of the slowest one. You also need to consider capacity; there is a limit to the amount of memory a board can use, and a limit to the amount it can have in one slot. Additionally, DDRx SDRAM brings the concept of 'matched pairs', meaning RAM modules must be installed in pairs of equal speed and capacity, otherwise it runs at half the speed it's capable of. There other features, such as non-ECC/ECC and Registered/Unbuffered/Fully Buffered. All you need to know about that is you need non-ECC and Unbuffered RAM. The others are for servers.

    Fortunately, there's an easy way to find out what your computer needs. Download and install PC Wizard 2008 from http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php, then start the program. You will see a screen like the one below; the line 'Physical Memory' will tell you most of what you need to know.
    [​IMG]

    if you need any more information, click the 'motherboard' icon (second from left on the top row) and then select the 'physical memory' line to display further (mostly technical) information about your RAM.

    [​IMG]

    if you post screenshots of those pages I'll be able to help you find suitable upgrade modules.
     
  3. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    here is the pictures
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    so i actually have 256 ram then where did 32 go?
     
  4. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    the missing 32MB is being used by the graphics adaptor.

    it is SDRAM as I suspected, and research shows that the chipset on that board supports up to 4GB of RAM. Can you the second picture again, but this time select the 'Physical memory' line, then again with the bottom pane scrolled to the bottom. Hopefully that will give me enough information to work out how many slots you have and how much you can get in each (although I imagine its 4 slots with up to 1GB each).
     
  5. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    here you go
    [​IMG]

    so i have 2 only so the maximum is 2gb right?
     
  6. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Your board seems to support both SDRAM and EDO; the information there pertains to EDO memory. Is there any chance you can post a photo of the inside of the computer? Dual memory type boards are fairly rare, but they're a bit difficult to deal with from the software side of things because the information can be conflicting. A photo would instantly tell me what the board takes and how many modules of each type.
     
  7. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    i cant the camera is not here just ask me questions and ill try to answer it
     
  8. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    OK then, Have a look inside the case, I want to know if there are any ram slots that look like this:

    [​IMG] (there will probably be only 2) They may contain RAM modules that look like this:

    [​IMG] although I doubt it, although I want to know if they do.

    What we are actually after is how many slots that look like this:
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    (the black slots with white plastic clips) there are. One of them will contain a memory module looking something like this:
    [​IMG] Note that it has two notches in it, there should be two keys in the slots that fit into the notches. If there's only one in about the middle (as opposed to one in roughly the middle and one near one end) I need to know.
     
  9. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    yeah theres 2 slots but in blue color one with the module thing
     
  10. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    and no EDO slots? Do the SDRAM slots have one key or two (hint, look in the slots, or take the ram module out and look at how many notches it has)
     
  11. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    the little hole? then only 1
     
  12. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    OK, then we are dealing with DDR(1) SDRAM. Looking at the specs, it appears we can use either DDR-200 or DDR-266 in that board. I suggest you get DDR-266 (Also known as PC2100) ram. You have a maximum limit of 4GB, this would suggest a maximum of 2GB per slot, but not necessarily so I wouldn't put more than 1GB in each slot (if it doesn't support the full amount it will work, but you've still spent money you needn't have). So what you are looking at is 2x 1GB modules of DDR-266 (PC2100) non-ECC Unbuffered SDRAM in a 184-pin DIMM form factor.

    So, either 2x of these:

    http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT12864Z40B

    or one of these:

    http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT2KIT12864Z335

    for example. I know those are PC3200 (DDR-400), but as I said above, it will work, just slower than its maximum capable speed, and crucial do not seem to sell PC2100 any more. Additionally there is no price difference between PC2700 (DDR-333) and PC3200 (DDR-400) on Crucial's site.
     
  13. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    i not into internet buying
     
  14. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    He needs not worry loony, because we're a bit late with computer technology here he can find the necessary DDR1 RAM he needs.

    @Bha, ask to go with your parents to a place in Cubao called Gilmore, that's the place people often go to to find PC parts. That place's your best bet to find DDR-266 RAM, though you'll probably going to have to look in several shops until you find one who sells them as that kind of RAM is a bit harder to find these days.

    @loony again: I forgot to say "wow" to those photos you posted, three & even four RAM slots! That motherboard's a real monster! That's coming from the fact that I don't know what these newer motherboards actually look like.
     
  15. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    ok what about cyberzone near sm north?
     
  16. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    They charge extra in the Malls, trust me & as far as I know, Villmann (that's the most trusted store there) no longer sells any kind of DDR1 RAM.
     
  17. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    so gilmore has everything?
    is it computer parts mall?
     
  18. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    No, Gilmore is the name of a street in Cubao lined with lots of stores offering computer related services, PC Repairing services, PC Parts retail & Internet access cafes.

    Just ask any Filipino IT expert what Gilmore is & they'll tell you what I just said.
     
  19. bhatooth

    bhatooth Well-Known Member

    ahh... so like divisoria but computer based?
     
  20. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    4 slots is normal. Mine has 8