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Is it possible to reach or surpass the speed of light?

Discussion in 'Debates' started by Gietz, Feb 7, 2009.

  1. Gietz

    Gietz Well-Known Member

    Discuss.

    In my opinion, its not possible. One point being, that if you reached the speed of light, or went faster, you'd theoretically be in 2 places at once.

    Discuss
     
  2. Solus

    Solus Well-Known Member

    I don't think you'll be in two places at once. You are only one object, no way going the speed of light can 'duplicate' yourself just probably cause the illusion to appear as though you are in many places at once due to the human disability to process information that fast.
     
  3. Gietz

    Gietz Well-Known Member

    I'm not 100% sure, thats why i said theoretically.
    Also with the LHC on the swiss border, they are using that to ''emulate'' the big bang, but they couldn't do it properly because the particles they had running through the loop weren't going light speed, still very very fast, but still not light speed. They'd need them to reach the speed of light before they can completely emulate it.
     
  4. calvin_0

    calvin_0 Well-Known Member

    I read it some where, its not possible to go over the speed of light because when you do, your mass will become infinite.
     
  5. Solus

    Solus Well-Known Member

    Well as for now nothing can really match the speed of light except light itself. And with regards to the future I must say I do not support scientists to find out or conduct any experiment for it. It might break the laws of physics which we all should be well aware by now going against nature usually end up in disaster.
     
  6. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    According to current laws of physics, it is not possible to reach the speed of light, as a basic explanation calvin is correct. Also be aware that while light can behave as if it is matter, it is in fact electromagnetic radiation, and is not subject to the laws regulating the behaviour of matter.
     
  7. ultra

    ultra Guest

    i believe it's more then possible but just not at the current time period and era because of our limits in knowlodge, understanding and experimentation.

    the mood coming from people about this topic feels like this is a dead end on the topic of light for science and it's over, but it's not. we as humans are just temperarily stuck and are waiting until the next big thing helps push us into a new direction.
     
  8. kanakacheek

    kanakacheek Well-Known Member

    Actually...relatively speaking if you are traveling at the speed of light, you won't be able to feel that speed because you are at that speed (I don't know how to better explain this). At least that what I think. A vehicle that can keep inside conditions stable to simulate normal speed, then it would not matter what the actual speed is right? So why can't we reach the speed of light?

    Is speed of light the fastest speed measurable? There is probably something faster, we just didn't find it because it's so fast.
     
  9. Seph

    Seph Administrator Staff Member

    In order to travel at light speed we'll most likely need to deconstruct ourselves into data, transfer that data with light and then reconstruct it. Since we don't currently know anything faster than light we can't actually travel faster than light. It'd be interesting to know if bending space to travel at pseudo-faster-than-light is just science fiction or actually possible.
     
  10. Solus

    Solus Well-Known Member

    Hmm light is a form of energy right? And not a very powerful one yet it itself can travel extremely fast, is it due to its mass or something?
     
  11. kanakacheek

    kanakacheek Well-Known Member

    I don't think the speed is relative to it's mass. But I don't know why it travels so fast either
    Why must we convert to data or particles?
     
  12. Gietz

    Gietz Well-Known Member

    Light is wierd, it can have mass, but also not. It travels as particles and as a wave, so its very strange.
     
  13. [Game|Freak]

    [Game|Freak] Well-Known Member

    It's possible to travel at the speed of light all it takes is time and money to research and construct experiments. Once we get close enough we can time travel. But for now we still can't figure what happens with the other energy when traveling that fast, somehow it gets lost somewhere out there, transformed, into thermal energy or something else. As many had say light is particles and waves and behaves in matters we still don't know much about it's going to take awhile to discover and reveal all that is still hidden.

    Speed of light (C): C= 299,792,458 m/s

    To: kanakacheek

    The speed of light is the fastest and that's what we have to consider until we find something else. Like everything else we have to base what we know on what we can find. There is always going to be something better in this case faster then what we are discussing. But we shouldn't bring in other things until they are discovered.

    Also you hit sort of a point but here is how to explain it.

    There are two ways of looking at it when traveling fast in an object such as a rocket.

    A outside observer and an inside observer.

    You are the inside observer so to you everything looks normal but to the outside observer it looks as though you are going so fast you are either a straight line or just gone.
     
  14. Mikau

    Mikau Member

    THe speed of light is unreachable. Reason:

    At small masses or high speeds the mass actually depends on the speed. Check any physics book for the mass of Electrones, Protones and Neutrones. It sais smth.smth while not moving. Now imagine a simple ball, for exaple, a tennis ball. The amount of energy required to change the speed of a body depends on its mass. Now, lets say you DID manage to make that ball travel at 4/5 light speed (LS). At that point its mass will be so high, the amount of energy needed to make it travel faster (or brake) is very large. The closer the speed is to LS the more energy is required.

    So LS is the ultimate speed. Now, theres a catch to it. If a photon, moving at light speed (lets call it LP) moves in the direction opposite of anothers photon moving at LS, its speed relating the other should be 2LS, right? WRONG! Here comes the paradox of it all. Light speed isnt surpassable even in a situation of opposite deriction movement.

    Hope that was helpfull!
     
  15. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    E = MC2

    it travels as a wave, but has particle properties. this is known as wave/particle duality. illustration of it behaving as a wave is it can travel through space (micro vacuum), illustration of it behaving as a particle is the photoelectric effect (the same thing that makes photovoltaic solar panels work).
     
  16. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    So what about the radiation from the Sun?... The Sun gives us light and also releases radiation so does that radiation move with light? And what speed does it go?
     
  17. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Radiation from the sun is all electromagnetic and travels at the speed of light (it is the same as light, visible light is just a small segment of the electromagnetic spectrum).
     
  18. cjdogger

    cjdogger Guest

    Ah yes; I forgot about the spectrum...
    But then that means that Radio waves and such can carry data so could not that carry ours?
     
  19. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    radio waves can and do carry data, but the frequency of the wave limits the data that can be carried.
     
  20. Cahos Rahne Veloza

    Cahos Rahne Veloza The Fart Awakens

    This is kinda like the concept or the theoretical mechanism of a Teleportation device right?