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Division by Zero.....

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by calvin_0, Aug 23, 2009.

  1. calvin_0

    calvin_0 Well-Known Member

    why division by zero isnt zero......

    take this example that i use to learn math

    if you got 10 apples, and there is 5 people, how many apple do each people get? 2

    so if you got 10 apples, and there is no people, so how many apple do each people get? none, because there is no people to give too... so doesnt it mean zero?
     
  2. kukuru

    kukuru Well-Known Member

    no. you still have the apples that didnt distributed yet.

    so it is undefine.
     
  3. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    actually its 10, you are dividing by one, not zero. You have the apples.
     
  4. Born2killx

    Born2killx Well-Known Member

    And that's why you can't explain math using objects. There's always a loophole.

    "But what if someone eats the apple?"
     
  5. Hypr

    Hypr Well-Known Member

    Let me follow this up with another question:

    Take the limit of the function f(x)= 1/x as x -> 0.

    What is the limit?

    Here's a hint, graph the function and trace the graph on both sides where x=0.
     
  6. nomercy

    nomercy Well-Known Member

    10/1 -> eat apple -> (10-1)/1... no problem. :)
     
  7. Angel-

    Angel- Active Member

    How about this, Hypr:

    If you have a limit of f(x) = (6x^6 + 8x) / (2x^4) as x -> 0, you get an undefined answer. Do you agree or do you have skills to pay the bills?

    Edit: Where I thought L'Hopital's rule was in order, Hypr proved (in IRC) that it didn't work. GJ, Hypr. I'll get you next time.
     
  8. Hypr

    Hypr Well-Known Member

    The limit does not exist in that problem.

    Worked out solution
     
  9. marcy

    marcy Guest

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    f(x) = c/x as x -> 0+-0 is +-infinity
    (for c != 0)
     
  10. tehuber1337

    tehuber1337 Well-Known Member

    http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=limit+of+f(x)+%3D+(6x^6+%2B+8x)+/+(2x^4)+as+x+->+0

    Asymmetrical graph is asymmetrical.
     
  11. Hypr

    Hypr Well-Known Member

    Do you even know what the mathematical definition of 'limit' means?

    And no, your answer is not acceptable; it's wrong. +/- infinity is not even a valid answer for limits.
     
  12. tehuber1337

    tehuber1337 Well-Known Member

    An appreciation of maths is hardly nerdy.
     
  13. timmy1991

    timmy1991 Well-Known Member

    ahhh, my head... so zero does not equal zero?
     
  14. Hypr

    Hypr Well-Known Member

    Guess what, you're using a computer which does a lot of mathematical computations in the background (and I dare you to prove me wrong on this), which makes you a nerd as well. Pot calling the kettle black!

    No, it's just anything divided by zero is undefined.

    Also, for Calvin, does my explanation with limits help explain why anything divided by 0 is undefined?
     
  15. Born2killx

    Born2killx Well-Known Member

    Apparently, the post you quoted doesn't exist anymore. :p
     
  16. calvin_0

    calvin_0 Well-Known Member

    wait there is an explanation? all i see is bunch of math formula.... i'm very slow when come to math.....
     
  17. jbsucks

    jbsucks Guest

    Haha. Well, That makes it two of us.
     
  18. nomercy

    nomercy Well-Known Member

    Be careful what you call undefined. If it is assumed 1/0 results in infinity, and everybody accepts this, then it is defined as such. Just like 2+2 can be 5.

    Also, in some fields 1/0 is defined. A good example for this is floating point. Computers have to be able to handle division-by-zero somehow.
     
  19. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    usually by throwing an error and/or crashing.
     
  20. timmy1991

    timmy1991 Well-Known Member

    how exactly can that happen?