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convertxtodvd V2 and V4 deletle the subs from any movie

Discussion in 'Non-Emulation Help' started by Duncan Idaho, Sep 8, 2012.

  1. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member

    Issue: i have downloaded a few anime shows i like and i want to burn them on a DVD with menus made by me, when it finishes the conversion and burns it i make VLC to reproduce the movie, to my surprise the subs that were encoded on the source are gone, to check that is not a problem of my screen i put it on my uncle's blue ray reproductor and check with his HD TV, once again the subs are also gone.question: how do i stop it from happening?

    Side note: all are in .mkv format and all have the subs encoded onto the movie, is after building the DVD via VSO convertxtodvd V2 or V4 that the subs are gone leaving me only with japanese language, i have burnt and used the program before for code geass and fate and the vids kept the subs
     
  2. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    the subtitles need extracting and the file referenced when you build the dvd. dvd format cannot have closed subtitles embedded in the video stream.
     
  3. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member

    ok, i need to find a subtitle file or extract them (how i do that?) for each vid, i get that, but here is the odd thing it only happens with bakabt movies, years ago i downloaded from a website i use to watch anime via real player downloader used convertxtodvd and the subs were kept this is why i am puzzled, i dint had to extract the subs or find a sub file
     
  4. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    realplayer is an entirely different format. It's possible convertxtodvd can extract subs from realplayer format but not from mkv.
     
  5. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member

    ok, what i used to do was download a vid as .mp4 format or .avi via realplayer downloader so it could extract the subs like that, any programs that can do the same stuff as convertxtodvd but can do it with .mkv, or is a problem inherent to the video format? i was trying dvd flicker but the program sucks a lot, it crashes after encondoing the audio and video
     
  6. insanecrazy07

    insanecrazy07 Well-Known Member

    The subtitles are softcoded meaning that they're not actually part of the video stream, and you can turn them off. If you hardcode the subs into the video, you permanently make it part of the video stream (and therefore, make them readable on DVD players).

    The easier solution rather than mucking around with menus and whatnot is to burn the files in a DATA disc format. Also, I'd try encoding in MP4 (with AAC audio) or AVI (with MP3 audio), MP4 being the better of the two options. Modern Blu-Ray players and DVD players should read these formats without having to have VIDEO_TS styled DVD structures.

    If you're hell bent on formatting them with a VIDEO_TS style structure, then hardcode the subs on every individual file first, then run them through your convertxwhatever program.

    I use AirVideo (from my iPhone 4) to hardcode subs since I can't for the life of me get them to hardcode using Handbrake. Plus, less options is better in this case. Less shit for me to screw up. And since I'm creating video files that have to work on the PC, my iPhone 4 and my PS3, this is a no brainer. Then again, I hardly ever encode shows with subs since it's either dub or don't bother re-encoding...

    Also,
    The mere mention of realplayer, and anything not named Handbrake (or AirVideo in my case) or AVIdemux (maybe even VirtualDub) may be your problem here.

    If you want the .ssa (subtitle) file extracted, use MKVextractGUI.
     
  7. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member


    IDK if the subtitle are soft or hard, i got the files from here and it doesnt syas if the subs are hardcoded or softcoded.


    So what is not the easy solution?

    I dont like dub since i am not a native english speaker so i prefer latin dub, which only a handful of animes have (slayers, saint seiya, etc.) and dont tell me the re encoding to make the subs hard means that i will lose quality in the video image? -_-, airvideo is just for iphones or works for different stuff?


    No it's not real player, it's realplayer downoloader, it works like youtube video downloader, only that i have the option of saving the vid on a specific format as i ask it download
     
  8. insanecrazy07

    insanecrazy07 Well-Known Member

    This should be apparent just by trying to change the subtitles. There is no need to show me the source. If it's hardcoded, then you can try changing the subtitle track all you want and you won't be able to change it, let alone see a subtitle track to change to.

    The way you're doing it right now...

    Latin dub? As in ancient Rome Latin? People still speak in Latin?

    And yes, by hardcoding, or shit, even converting file formats (ie. what you've been doing) will result in a slight loss in quality. You take what you can get here. There's no other solution other than to find something that can read MKV natively and can switch between subtitle tracks. Good luck finding such a device other than a PC with video codecs installed. If no converting needed to be done, you could just rename the file extension with MP4 and it would be readable, however, it hardly works that way...especially since the video is usually encoded in AVC, and not MPEG4.

    Also be aware that some videos just refuse to re-encode correctly (especially in Handbrake or VirtualDub or AVIdemux). I found that some idiots that rip these, rip them in weird ass framerates that are neither NTSC nor PAL. I'd be okay with either one, and reconverting isn't so bad, but when they give you like 28.953 for the fps, it SCREWS UP the entire audio/video sync to the point that the audio is either really early or really late as it gets further into the video.

    Hence, why I went with AirVideo. It doesn't give me any of that bullshit to mess with it. Just bit rate, Audio track, Subtitle track if applicable, and dimensions of the video. That's it. Nothing else to screw around with. And provided that I gave acceptable numbers for the resolution (that are restricted for iPod/iPhone viewing), it works.

    AirVideo only works on an iPhone, but you can convert it with the default resolution (ie. a resolution that exceeds iPhone specs) however, you need an iPhone or iPod Touch to be able to use the converter. The software on the phone merely instructs the AirVideo program on your PC to convert. It doesn't actually do the converting; your PC does that.

    Interesting. I use a Tampermonkey script to download youtube videos. It usually gives me the option of MP4 and MP4 720p, which is fine.

    EDIT:
    Also, what bugs me is that you'd rather watch English subs with Japanese audio, not because you favor them over the dub for sheer personal preference, but because English isn't your native language, even though the subs are in English...

    This, doesn't make any damn sense.
     
  9. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member

    No latin american spanish, it's often shortened for latin dub in some circles i go to since i cant stand the european spanish and 99% of the dubs or subs that are in spanish are of european spanish, which translators tend to use typical expressions of that language making it a mess to watch.

    i take what i can get, and also i hope it wont be my case at all
    real player downloader even offers the option of removing the video and only leavign the audio track, useful for when i dont want to use ares.

    for me it's easier to read than to listen since i havwe a slight auditive impairing caused years ago by some moronic doctors
     
  10. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, the vatican.
     
  11. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member

    @Loonylion @insanecrazy07 i found something curious on either version i have of convertxtodvd the subtitle selection says there is no subtitle track no external or internal one despite the vid having soft subs o_O, going to test at least with roxio easy media creator, if that gives me the same result i think i found a way to preserver some quality of the the vid, i make a duplicate folder, from it i extract the subs and then i run convertxtodvd with the original vids and add the subs
     
  12. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    yes because it cant read mkv subs.
     
  13. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member

    i see, thanks again
     
  14. insanecrazy07

    insanecrazy07 Well-Known Member

    If that works, then that works. Great.
    You shouldn't run into any other problems then.

    Although, I'd really recommend a different way of burning. I've always found that formatting to a DVD-R (VIDEO_TS) structure is extremely inefficient. I can usually burn several seasons of anime onto one DATA disc as opposed to maybe 4 or 5 episodes doing it your way regardless of compression...

    ...Unless they've updated it, I find it extremely inefficient. I can usually cram about 120 episodes of an anime onto a BD-25, whereas I'd get less than 1/3 of that formatting it in such a way that typical Blu-Ray players can read it...although it's more applicable if we're talking DVD-Rs or DVD-R DLs. It's the same analogy where burning 12-16 audio tracks onto a music CD-R somehow takes up the entire 700 MB on the disc, but if you burned the audio as a data disc, you can cram hundreds of songs onto a 700 MB disc.

    And ughhhhhhhh, goddamn shounen anime is the bane of my existence...seriously...why make this many goddamn episodes...
     
  15. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member

    I pray it helps, the torrent still needs an other hour given there are only 5 seeders for a 1.80 GB file

    a friend of mine who burns often movies and such gave me a recomendation that in order to avoid quality loss i should at least burn 4 eps per DVD, i cant quite remember his exact reasoning, also i do it this way since i enjoy making menus for my own DVD's , what you recomend tho?

    dude i have about 5 animes sitting on my HDD taking a lot of space from it battle angel alita, irresponsible capitan tylor, Highschool of the dead and puella magical madoka and cutie honey ova, in fact the whole issue came from the cutie honey ova not having subs since i burnt it for a friend who is getting onto anime, i toguht of telling him of saint seiya but me burning 600+ chapters and ova's is a no F*** way, i feel your pain
     
  16. insanecrazy07

    insanecrazy07 Well-Known Member

    4 episodes per DVD!?!?! WHAT? What are you trying to make? An Aniplex DVD? I'd shoot myself if I had no choice but to do that...
    Pokemon Indigo League and Orange League on one single layer Blu-Ray. That's like a week runtime...And no I don't need 1080p 10-bit gigabyte-eating files...I don't even personally own an HDTV, unless you count my 17" monitor that I use for my PS3. Runs 1080p and that's all I need it for. I don't need anything larger than that to appreciate high definition. To me, HD depreciates the larger you go in screen size. So yeah, most shows I see in super HD compared to most people who view 1080p on a 60" screen. I'm viewing the same thing on a 17" screen that is exactly 1920x1080 pixels over 17" of screen and not 1920x1080 pixels over 60" of screen.

    I've got ya beat by a mile...

    I have two copies of Naruto, all 220 episodes. One copy in the mkv format that I acquired it in, and the other in MP4 that still needs to be renamed, TVtagged, and applied cover art.
    Bleach seasons 7-16
    Pokemon seasons 4-6
    All of Dragonball Z still waiting to be processed (really? 9 seasons? Ughhhhhhh)
    Two copies of Soul Eater (same thing as Naruto, one in raw MKV and the other in MP4 until I can rename, TVtag and apply cover art, then I can delete both copies once I've burned the finished product to a BD-25)
    Steins;Gate
    Great Teacher Onizuka (43 episodes)
    Bakemonogatari
    Bamboo Blade
    Beck
    Black Lagoon
    FLCL
    Serial Experiments Lain
    Mirai Nikki
    Trigun

    And this isn't even counting the finished products (this is just the stuff that's sitting on my HDD waiting to be processed) that are just waiting to collect in amounts of <25 GB with similar series so I can burn them to a Blu-Ray. (Yeah, I don't like mixing my Clannad with my Black Lagoon, or long running shounen with other shows. Shounen get their own separate BD burn sessions. And yeah, slice of life anime take forever to amass 25 GB so I can burn it, so it just sits there...forever)

    And yeah, Madoka Magica and HOTD are like nickels to me in total filesize...
    You have yet to feel my pain...lol
    And I seem to stockpile anime faster than I can process it and get it onto Blu-Rays...which is why I have so damn much...

    But yeah, when you get to my level of insanity, dealing in units of 250 GB, you kind of say screw it with the menus thing and just go straight data discs.
     
  17. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member

    90% of the stuff i DL is usually on the 24 episode range, the only truly huge thing i burnt was Code geass R1 and R2 which amounted to 12 DVD's, if it were a longer show i'd up to 6 chapters per DVD as i dont like having like 10 chapters per DVD, and the stuff i get from baka bt is usually the first one that shows up and i dont own an HDTV my desktop computer tho has a HD monitor.

    well i meant it on that i always seem to have lil HD space no matter how often i erase large files i windup downloading more or less the same GB for example i recently erased vampire the masquerade and not soon after i got arcanum now resting on my machines >_>
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    ..... god fucking dammit, roxio supports 90% of the formats but mkv, what the fuck is with the people that make program, even if it's a "rare" format it should still be supported
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    this is driving me nuts, i have 3 DVD programs, i have extracted the subs, one doesnt supports the damn subs, since the GUI only offers me .xml or .ogg, i select either, dvd flick tells me the localized subs are corrupt, while instead converxtodvd now tells me there are 2 subtitle streams and still erases them despite acknowledging them, any ideas?
     
  18. insanecrazy07

    insanecrazy07 Well-Known Member

    You might as well abandon the idea that you'll be able to incorporate subs into your videos using a DVD program UNLESS you physically hardcode them like I said before. Your program won't need to incorporate subs because the subs will be BURNED into the video.

    Airvideo will solve your issues, but just remember that you will need to do this with every video file you plan to burn.

    Welcome to the world of having to process everything at least twice.
     
  19. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Well-Known Member

    actually i found out how i was able to add the subs, problem is now this:

    http://s249.beta.photobucket.com/user/Kalenz/media/401e4cd7.png.html

    i have no idea how to get rid of that dialogue part >_>

    also comunity codec pack added the posibility of convert to read the subs, problem wound up on that i need to set one of them to default so they are turned on, but i wind up getting the dialogue part on the intro and end
     
  20. insanecrazy07

    insanecrazy07 Well-Known Member

    Again, you won't have problems if you hardsub. I can't help you further with anything else.
    Hardsub or GTFO. lol

    I know you're trying to shortcut your work in half, but the longer path is guaranteed to work since it essentially merges the subtitles with the video and you no longer have a subtitle track, just video and audio, and the subs become a part of the video.