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A good computer

Discussion in 'Non-Emulation Help' started by necr0, Apr 28, 2012.

  1. necr0

    necr0 Well-Known Member

    Hey guys.

    I finally convinced my dad to buy a better computer. Unfortunately, he doesn't know any ideas.
    I'd like one which can play; lets say Battlefield 3 with ease.

    I don't know much about computers, but good RAM and a high Ghz is needed.

    Please help!
     
  2. asdfth12

    asdfth12 Well-Known Member

    Price range?

    When you say play with ease, well, this one here can play pretty much anything with ease.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227405

    However, I'm pretty sure that this is WAY out of your budget.

    Anyway, I prefer HP's since they are, from my experience, very reliable. This one should be able to handle BF3

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883157155

    8-core processor, 10 GB ram, Geforce GT 530 2 GB video card, 2 TB hdd.
     
  3. joshua.rozario

    joshua.rozario Well-Known Member

    all good but the graphics card isn't that good
     
  4. necr0

    necr0 Well-Known Member

    Need one of those.



    Could someone just list some top-of-the-range items that make a full, fast, good working computer, but when added together equals less than about $1200 AU.
    So graphics card, HDD etc.
     
  5. fabvini

    fabvini Well-Known Member

  6. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    that spec is ancient, especially the graphics card. There's absolutely no reason to get below a HD 5870, and I believe currently the best price/performance card is the HD 6850
     
  7. asdfth12

    asdfth12 Well-Known Member

    Also, never, NEVER, buy used computer components, especially from ebay.

    Also (@Joshua), yes, I get it. The card isn't the newest and most expensive on the market. So therefor, it automatically sucks. But not everone can afford to buy a new video card every few months.
     
  8. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    I have at least 3 computers constructed entirely from ebay parts and they're fine.
     
  9. asdfth12

    asdfth12 Well-Known Member

    Keyword, used. The parts are fine if NIB. It's just the used parts to stay away from.

    It's funny. I wouldn't trust used parts from ebay but I'd still buy a used computer off of ebay. :\. Stupid double standard, I know.
     
  10. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    they're used parts...
     
  11. necr0

    necr0 Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys.
    I will consider making one (need help though)

    Loony, do you have any ideas for good parts and stuff...
     
  12. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    you have to choose your own parts really, you're the one that knows what you want/need. We can comment on your choices and advise you.

    Regardless, some rules for building a gaming PC:

    Code:
    Less is more
    16GB ram will give little additional benefit over 8GB which gives little benefit over 4GB. More than quad core will give no benefit.

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    The faster, the better
    more cores doesn't help, faster cores will. Don't get anything less than 3.0Ghz

    Tons of ram doesn't help, fast ram does. DDR3 is a must, get the highest speed supported by your board and processor. Lower timings are better. The two most important are: CAS Latency and recharge time. The lower the better, however higher mhz takes precedence. Pay attention to triple/dual channel support on the board. Triple channel means RAM must be installed in groups of 3 identical modules, dual channel in groups of two. Mess this up and it runs much slower. The more modules you have, the better (so long as you don't break the dual/triple channel rule). If you have a board with 6 ram slots and you want 6GB of RAM, go for 6x 1GB over 3x 2GB. This is because of the recharge time, which is a period after a module has been written in which it cannot be written to again. More RAM modules means there will be other RAM modules available while others are recharging, making the system overall more responsive. G-Skill Ripjaw RAM is awesome. Don't forget that you will need a 64bit OS for more than 4GB of RAM.

    Hard disks are easily the slowest part of a computer (excluding optical and floppy drives) and there isn't a whole lot that can be done about this. SSDs look great on paper but realworld performance is lacking.
    You'll want SATAII/SATA3gb/s, unless you're very rich and hardcore, in which case U320 SCSI and SAS are options (bear in mind these two have a maximum drive capacity of 300GB for SCSI, SAS can go higher). You want at least 7,200RPM rotational speed, and avoid 'green' or 'eco' drives as these run at 5,400 RPM and even if they claim equivalent performance to 7,200s, they aren't equivalent. WD Velociraptors are good performance wise but are known to have reliability issues.

    Seek time should be as low as possible, and the drive should be one of: Seagate, hitachi, western digital or samsung. If you're going for SCSI or SAS then fujitsu becomes an option. For optimum performance, you want at least three disks. One for installing your OS and programs on, one for your pagefile, and one for installing games on. It's quite common to use a western digital raptor/velociraptor for the latter, but you could also use one for the former, or even for all three (if you're using SATA). If you're going to download a lot of stuff then get a fourth hard disk (a high capacity one, such as a samsung spinpoint F3)

    RAID: avoid RAID 0. It brings very little performance benefit and comes at the cost of data security. I personally use RAID 1 on my OS disk (RAID 1 is where two identical disks are mirrored to look like one disk, and data is written to both, so if one dies then the other takes over). Avoid 'onboard' raid on your motherboard, if you want raid then get a proper raid card (promise, adaptec, LSI logic, mylex or 3ware) avoid 'zero channel raid'.

    Optical drive: mostly irrelevant as far as performance is concerned.

    CPU cooler: This is hugely important. Don't use the cooler that came with your CPU. It will be adequate, but only just. This is especially true of intel coolers. Frostytech have a nice list of coolers ranked by cooling performance on a 125W CPU, Wander over here: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2521&page=4 to take a look. Note that it only lists AMD compatible coolers, intel compatible is on the next or the previous page. Also pay attention to the noise level, you don't want it to be too high or it will be irritating. (i'm deaf so I couldn't care less).

    Case: This is also hugely important, but not for the reasons most people think of. Get a fancy looking case if you like, but looks are a secondary concern. Most important is airflow/thermal performance. You want 120mm fans in the front and the back at minimum (or slots to put said fans), the more the merrier, and the bigger the better. Side panel fans are a double edged sword, they can improve airflow, or they can totally balls it up. It depends on the case design. Make sure none of the fanciness blocks fans. Front fans should draw air into the case, back fans should pull it out. Side again depends on case design. For the record I hate tooless cases, its faster to use a damn screwdriver. If the case has a full height drive rack, then you will need a full tower (not a mid tower) otherwise the graphics card wont fit in the case.

    Fans: the higher the CFM for a given size, the better. Also pay attention to the noise ratings. Coolermaster excaliburs are nice, Delta fans and vantec tornados cool amazingly well but are also hellishly loud.

    CPU: The killer question. As said before, no more than 4 cores are necessary, and hyperthreading is a waste of effort. Higher clock speeds are better, bigger L2 and L3 cache sizes can also help. Pay careful attention here as the cache sizes quoted could be either per core or unified (all cores sharing the same cache). Also pay attention to the TDP (thermal design power) as this affects what cooler you choose.

    Motherboard: You want one that is compatible with your CPU (Both in terms of socket, FSB and TDP). ATX boards are easier to work with than microATX/uATX. This and the processor dictate what ram you can use, and how much, so DDR3 and as high as possible mhz. Good brands are: Asus, DFI, Gigabyte, MSI. Avoid ECS, PCChips, EVGA and foxconn. Pay careful attention to the chipset; a nvidia graphics card on an ATi motherboard chipset might be what is causing the issues my mate and I have, we just haven't been able to prove it yet.

    power supply: Don't skimp here. If this blows it could well take out the rest of your system. you want at least 500W. You will need PCI-E power connectors, and fewer, bigger 12V rails is preferable to more smaller ones. Choose from: Antec, thermaltake, silverstone, seasonic, OCZ, Enermax, coolermaster, corsair. Note that a higher rated PSU will NOT use more electricity than a lower rated one in the same computer; this is a common misconception. The rating is the MAXIMUM amount of power it is capable of supplying, so the higher the better, but there's no need to go overboard. Don't touch any brand I have not listed, and if your case came with a power supply then junk it unless its one of the above.

    Sound card: Avoid creative, they suck. Asus Xonar are the way to go.

    graphics card: Your choice is ATi radeon or Nvidia geforce. good brands are: BFG and XFX (these are the most used by gamers), MSI, gigabyte. Avoid: sparkle, evga, HIS

    Keyboard: logitech G19

    mouse: I like the logitech MX518 and it's very highly rated

    plug in wired network card: if your onboard sucks, intel is the way to go.

    This ends today's lesson, I hope you've been taking notes because there'll be a test.
     
  13. necr0

    necr0 Well-Known Member

    I love tests!



    Thankyou so much Loony!
    I will go through the notes you gave me.
    I've highlited the stuff to get, so I'll go through the parts and the prices.

    Any stores suggested? (Not second hand sellers)
     
  14. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    someone from australia will have to answer that, but the general rule is online stores are cheaper, even though you have to pay for delivery.
     
  15. necr0

    necr0 Well-Known Member

    Ok.
    Am going to talk with my dad about this, it is my B,Day coming up so fingers crossed.
     
  16. MasterofXD

    MasterofXD Well-Known Member

    What's your budget?
     
  17. necr0

    necr0 Well-Known Member

    As stated above, about 1,200 AU.
     
  18. joshua.rozario

    joshua.rozario Well-Known Member

    lmao thats the exact same amount mmy comp cost but i bugh tit 2 years ago including monitor and speakers