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Killing animals? House pets especially?

Discussion in 'Rants' started by kamage, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. kamage

    kamage Well-Known Member

    Well, today, I witnessed my neighbors dog being killed by two men, the neighbor was all crying though, but she chose to give the dog to them, and she raised it ever since she was a puppy. The two men came over to bring the dog, but insted, they killed her right on the spot, I was watching on my terrace, and I saw my neighbor's kid screaming at the men, while their maid was restraining him. You could here the dog yelping, and crying, while the other dogs on my street were barking, but my dog almost bit himself out... I seriously was crying because, they wrapped a rope around her neck,a and she was barking, snarling, and thrashing about. Then, she started flinching, and losing consciousness, when she stopped moving, the little boy ran up to his dog, and started hugging,and crying her, seriously, it was a painful sight.
    The initial plan was only to give the dog to responsible owners,but killing the dog on the spot? Right in front of the owners?That's animal harassment, and an inhumane thing to do, Even I wouldn't do that, But you know why they killed hate dog? They were going to cook the dog into caldaretta, but they never told my neighbors that on the phone. They went to the house, and picked up the dog, getting her out of t he cage, and they..choked her with an animal restrainer, The neighbors across the street was yelling at them, and swearing, and the owners just watched, but they never knew it was going to come out like that, I'm just pissed (sorry for the rudeness) off because they killed a dog, in front of a freaking six year old, and a fourteen year old, nine year old, and a sixteen year old watching them (I'm fourteen) but they just isn't right, because here in the Philippines, killing of street dogs is outlawed, unless they are contained with deceases, but Our government is corrupt, I mean, we have no government run Vets here, its all PETA organizations, and they save everything, but even animal abuse isn't good, I heard that KFC chickens were abused, then killed before they were cooked, that just shows how bad humans can be, we have no respect for other forms of life, its just not right

    Why do people gotta' be like this? For fun perhaps? Or they like doing it for the blood lust? Man, I hope they don't come back for any other dog's on my street, so far, thats three dogs in My subdivision this month, one was killed ( the rant I'm talking about) and the other two died of heart attack, but what gives people the Right to kill another form of life? especially if they are close to you, if ti turned vicious, you still love your partner, but that gives absolutely no damn (sorry again) permission to kill an animal in front of the owners, especially a kid.

    I ask you guys this, Who has the right to life? Humans only? I think not, I think animals are included in that category as well, Go ahead and discuss about this topic, because my rant is over, and I'm feeling much better, but still, Poor Robin, she was a nice dog, and I feel sorry for my neighbor's son, I can still hear him crying now :-[
     
  2. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Something that happened to me while in South Africa, really put into context people's ignorance. I was working on the animal rescue sanctuary, where we kept abused animals that could not be rehabilitated into the wild for one reason or another. A couple of the lionesses are not developed properly because of poor diet and lack of care, and so it is quite obvious they have problems. While I was working one day, some tourists came around to see our animals, and on seeing these twwo lionesses, they exclaimed that we should put them down to end their suffering. Their escort looked at them and asked 'Would you shoot a disabled person to end their suffering?", to which they had no answer. He went on to tell them that these lionesses had improved considerably since being re-homed in the sanctuary, for example one of them would only eat from his hand when she arrived, but now quite happily shoved the other lioness out the way to get the food first (they ate cow drumsticks). Of course, concessions were made for these lionesses, the electric fences on the inside of the enclosure had been disconnected, to allow them to lean against the fence; as their balance is poor.

    That one comment from Glenn really illustrated to me how ignorant some people can be, and although he speaks little, he made them rethink their entire outlook with one comment.

    Killing animals like you have described is inhumane and barbaric, and one of the few things guaranteed to send me into a blind rage. I am not overly fond of dogs (I'm more of a cat person), but actions like that I strongly oppose.

    The strength of some people's feelings on the matter was again shown to me on the sanctuary in South Africa; when we went for our initial tour one of our leaders remained with the Land Rovers at the entrance. On our return, I asked why he hadn't gone on the tour, and he said 'I cannot look at those animals." when I inquired why, his answer was simply 'It makes me angry that people could have treated them like that."

    It is a shame that your law enforcement agencies would not act on this incident, it is not just the killing of the dog that was cruel, the fact that it was done in front of kids and the previous owner would suggest to me that these men have no consideration for other life, making them a potential danger to humans.

    My view is that it is horribly out of proportion. If a human kills or hurts a human, they get told off, maybe charged a fine, maybe locked up, in some cases executed. if a human hurts an animal, they either get away with it entirely, or they get some minor sentence. If an animal hurts or kills a human, they get 'destroyed', no buts or ifs. 99% of animal attacks are because the animal is frightened or feels threatened, should we shoot a kid for being scared of the dentist or something? The first thing we were told when we arrived in South Africa was 'There is no such thing as a dangerous animal, only stupid humans." We were feet away from some of the most feared predators in Africa, and they showed no interest in us whatsoever. Lions attacking humans is a scare story, it only happens in extremely rare cases when the lion is injured/unable to hunt, feels threatened or has some sort of grudge against humans. They don't like human meat; it is too salty, contains too much water and there isn't enough of it.

    Some people advocate declawing as a means to make animals safe, it does not. If anything it makes them more dangerous. You have removed their primary means of defending themselves, so they are more likely to bite instead. In addition to that, it causes considerable trauma for the animals and many of them do not survive for very long after the operation.

    While I feel very strongly about animals, and how they should be treated, I despise PETA. They take their campaigns too far and give animal lovers a bad name. It is past time that national governments came together to produce guidelines on how animals should be treat, especially family pets and wildlife. I for one support punishments equal to what would be given if the victim were human, maybe greater as a human is generally in a state to defend themselves, while animals are usually physically restrained when killed. The only reason I would prevent an animal killing a human after being provoked would be to prevent the so-called 'authorities' taking revenge on the animal. I'd probably assault the human myself.

    Wars between humans are bad enough, why do we have to kill animals as well?
     
  3. jc_106

    jc_106 Well-Known Member

    wow, kamage. your story is chocking. killing a dog this way. at least, if they were going to kill the dog, they could do it in private, and quickly, so the dog wouldn't suffer.

    and i prefer cats over dogs too, but this is revolting.
     
  4. bjm111

    bjm111 Member

    choice word there seeing as the dog was choked :-[
     
  5. iamlegend

    iamlegend Well-Known Member

    An eye for an eye.....
    Put the bastards down....
     
  6. ultra

    ultra Guest

    isn't it illegal to kill animals in public??!!
    isn't it illegal to kill animals in such a manner where it is excessively violent??

    i would kill a disabled person depending on the severity of their disability. for instance if you're paralyzed from neck down, then there is no hope for you as you need a machine to do everything.
     
  7. Almo

    Almo Well-Known Member

    Yeah inhumane crap just doesnt cut it, If theyd stunned it and then slit its throat then it wouldnt have been so bad. Even here in NZ our extreme pests which we want killed have to be done in a semi humane way (i.e. any traps must kill within 2minutes, and cant be left out unchecked for more than 24hours). Though in the case of possums ive been guilty of bashing them to death with fence battons.... but they really are serious pests.... anyway...

    Wells thats pretty inhumane, It should be up to the person whether they die or not, who are you to play god? people have recovered from things like that before, it really just takes determination. Thats like saying lets just kill everyone who has cancer because theres no hope for them.
     
  8. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    Ultra: your first two comments depend on the country and even the part of the country the incident takes place. It may not be illegal, it may be illegal but the law isn't very well enforced or any number of other situations
     
  9. Born2killx

    Born2killx Well-Known Member

    Killing animals is just inhumane and cruel. Here's an idea: Cut off of an animal killer the amount of flesh that they had killed off. Kill a dog and get most of your limbs cut off. ::)
     
  10. ultra

    ultra Guest

    in what ways are possums a pests??!!

    disease is different compared to being fully paralyzed. with disease you eventually die out so there is no point in terminating your life as the disease is doing it for us. however, when you're paralyzed you live as long as the machine is connected.
     
  11. iamlegend

    iamlegend Well-Known Member

    ...................
    Please.....think about what you are saying......
     
  12. ultra

    ultra Guest

    think about it, if a person was a vegetable, would you want them to live??

    again, why are possums a pest??
     
  13. Loonylion

    Loonylion Administrator Staff Member

    But would you have the right to make that decision?
     
  14. Almo

    Almo Well-Known Member

    @ ultra, Here in NZ possums were introduced ages ago, they thrive in our environment destroyig native trees, animals,birds and the like. NZ has a huge host of Endemic species which are found no where else in the world and are in current need of conservation. Having a 'clan' (lol too much COD4) of possums wipe these special species out would just suck.
     
  15. wiirdos

    wiirdos Member

    I'm no animal hippy, and I think animals should be used as a resource. But just killing animals for the thrill is completely wasteful and awful.
    There is much worse though. The inhumane killing of humans is far worse then the waste of animals. Like in the Daufer genocide, and Communist Governments.
     
  16. ultra

    ultra Guest

    do you see that what you have said is very funny when you compare it to humans. possums maybe destroying native trees, animals,birds and the like but humans are destroying everything. it's funny that a bear get's shot when it passes a tape which indicates that if they pass that line, they will be killed. think about it, it's a bear, it does not understand human language.

    to loonylion, well whoever can no longer pay for their benefit to live gets to say die. if i cannot afford loonylion to stay alive as a vegetable, then i have the right to say die, unless some else is able to suppor that individual, which i'm more then certain that there is no one that will volunteer as no one wants to pay for the charges or fines.
     
  17. Almo

    Almo Well-Known Member

    ^ yes I completely agree that humans are the worst pest of all. The bulk of us have disconnection ourselves from the environment "im not part of the environment" "im not an animal im human". A survey was taken over 7 countries and thousands of people which asked simply:

    1. Is a fish an animal?
    2. Should a fish have the right to live, not because its endangered or a resource, but because its a fish and it has the right to be here too.

    Question 1 79% said no, I mean after all its just a fish...right?
    Question 2 94% of people said no.

    Makes you think.....
     
  18. sir spamalot

    sir spamalot Well-Known Member

    a human kills another human and that perpetrator has the right to a fair trial and (in may places) a punishment that doesn't involve death. no matter what the motive, be it for revenge or "because it's fun"

    a human kills an animal and very often there's no punishment.

    an animal kills a human for the sake of it being hungry (or in danger) and that animal is very often killed on the spot. no trial, no fairness, just a gun.


    Note: this little comment didnt deserve a post... Matrix for the win!!!!
    -Almo.
     
  19. kamage

    kamage Well-Known Member

    Well, back after a long...while at school, but I do agree some animals are needed to die, because they were born to be that way, like Salmon, or chicken, they don't deserve to die, but they are killed for food, but they are killed as quickly as possible, and it ahs been around for a long time, but seeing an animal killed, that you don't eat every day, thats another story, But seeing a fish get killed, caught from teh wild, I still am agaisnt it...I'm okay If I don't see the death, but one time, i saw a chicken get it's head cut off, by my uncle, I didn't eat meat for...a few weeks...Anyways, we are used to some animals dying, and otehrs aren't, but the endangered species are well protected, well because their numbers are few.

    I really understand what Sir spamalot said, what happened for equality? only among humans huh? It just sin't right, animals ahve souls too, but I'm not trying to sound like a naturalist, but I do love animals, and they have aj ob on this planet, and that is...against the amendment I guess, because every person (animal included, they are people too!) has the right to live.

    and Ultras post, you really need to think about it, they have a family too, but sure, they're body doesn't work, but their mind works, and they can show emotion also, so..yeah man think about that

    and Almos post, the first question...fishes are animals, what country was that interviewed in, and what part of that country, because they are cassified under the kingdom animalia, and question 2, we need to think of the future, fish need to ahve a place there, we syhouldn't be able to go deep sea fishing, we just need to breed our own fish to eat, because, its just too much, if you look at the number of fish taken up each year
     
  20. sir spamalot

    sir spamalot Well-Known Member

    yeah, but in many cases they're over-killed. millions of animals killed for food, and in many cases a small fraction of them actually do get eaten. the rest either are discarded at the factory or discarded at the super market. in my eyes, that's murder - a flaw of the whole automated system where supply far surpasses demand.

    it's bad enough killing animals for no reason, but to kill an animal for a reason, then decide for a different reason where that said animal will then be discarded is just plain murder. kill what you need, don't kill because you can.